bmags Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 oh man he's just like derrick rose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Is that the same Beverly that went to Marshall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 08:54 AM) Is that the same Beverly that went to Marshall? Yes, and he can't touch Rose athletically. (well.. all of the above really) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 08:57 AM) Yes, and he can't touch Rose athletically. (well.. all of the above really) Yeah, but I bet Rose was never EuroCup MVP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Hard for me to get excited about a 6'1" 185 lb player that hasnt even sniffed the NBA. He's just bench depth. But get excited by the fact that this team is headed in a new direction: FO targeting players with certain skillsets to compliment Derrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 10:52 AM) He's just bench depth. But get excited by the fact that this team is headed in a new direction: FO targeting players with certain skillsets to compliment Derrick. LOL, you are excited about a player that makes Jannero Pargo look big? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 For the third time, I'm excited that we're targetting players that know how to dribble drive, are athletic and can handle the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 What's wrong with being a 6'1" PG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 11:03 AM) What's wrong with being a 6'1" PG? Nothing, in europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 11:02 AM) For the third time, I'm excited that we're targetting players that know how to dribble drive, are athletic and can handle the ball That doesn't really complement Derrick, that does a very poor imitation of Derrick. Complementing Derrick would be surrounding him with guys that can play without the ball and actually hit 3-point shots. Besides, this guy has maybe a 5% chance of getting any meaningful minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SexiAlexei Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 11:02 AM) For the third time, I'm excited that we're targetting players that know how to dribble drive, are athletic and can handle the ball And they're all backup PG's. They drafted a backup PG, signed a backup PG, and are looking at bringing in a Euro backup PG. None of these moves improve the team with Derrick on the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) That doesn't really complement Derrick, that does a very poor imitation of Derrick. Complementing Derrick would be surrounding him with guys that can play without the ball and actually hit 3-point shots. Besides, this guy has maybe a 5% chance of getting any meaningful minutes. No, Derrick needs someone else by him that can handle the ball. Thats what every Bulls fan has been screaming for since last year. He also needs athletic people next to him that know how to finish at the rim to take advantage of the fast break game. Last year we basically had only 2 people on this team who had any fast break game at all: Derrick and Rip. And Rip is old and not exactly a good finisher at the rim. And they're all backup PG's. They drafted a backup PG, signed a backup PG, and are looking at bringing in a Euro backup PG. None of these moves improve the team with Derrick on the floor. Adding more ballhandlers and athletes is a good sign. If we improve our back up PG depth, then maybe that won't force Thibs to overplay Derrick in the regular season Edited July 13, 2012 by RZZZA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (SexiAlexei @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 04:11 PM) And they're all backup PG's. They drafted a backup PG, signed a backup PG, and are looking at bringing in a Euro backup PG. None of these moves improve the team with Derrick on the floor. Hinrich can play the 2 with Derrick on the floor, and CJ and Rose played on the same floor at times. If Teague turns out to be good they could play sets with him on the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 10:08 AM) Nothing, in europe I'm okay with our 3rd stringer being 6'1" as long as he can see around defenders well enough to pass, which JL3 couldn't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) I'm excited by Teague too, by all signs he is also a good penetrator and finisher at the rim. The more guys we have collapsing the opponents defense, the better imo. Makes us less predictable on offense. I'm okay with our 3rd stringer being 6'1" as long as he can see around defenders well enough to pass, which JL3 couldn't do. I heard that this Bevereley guy is considered a pretty good defender too Edited July 13, 2012 by RZZZA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 11:14 AM) I'm okay with our 3rd stringer being 6'1" as long as he can see around defenders well enough to pass, which JL3 couldn't do. This is usually a byproduct of being 6'1" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 11:11 AM) No, Derrick needs someone else by him that can handle the ball. Thats what every Bulls fan has been screaming for since last year. He also needs athletic people next to him that know how to finish at the rim to take advantage of the fast break game. Last year we basically had only 2 people on this team who had any fast break game at all: Derrick and Rip. And Rip is old and not exactly a good finisher at the rim. Adding more ballhandlers and athletes is a good sign. If we improve our back up PG depth, then maybe that won't force Thibs to overplay Derrick in the regular season It really isn't. People have been asking for someone that can put the ball in the net, not someone that would take the ball out of Derrick's hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) It really isn't. People have been asking for someone that can put the ball in the net, not someone that would take the ball out of Derrick's hands. Well maybe it's just something I want then. Derrick can't be the only guy on our team capable of penetrating to the rim and finishing or creating a play for someone else. A large part of our offense is based on collapsing the defense and bringing rebounders to the hoop so...we need guys other than derrick to do that. Edited July 13, 2012 by RZZZA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 11:15 AM) I'm excited by Teague too, by all signs he is also a good penetrator and finisher at the rim. The more guys we have collapsing the opponents defense, the better imo. Makes us less predictable on offense. One of the main benefits of collapsing the defense is creating open 3-point shots. If everyone is trying to drive and you don't have anyone that can shoot, you end up with a team like the 76ers that can't get good shots because every defender is cheating to the lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:15 PM) I'm excited by Teague too, by all signs he is also a good penetrator and finisher at the rim. I'll be honest, I thought Teague was terrible for a majority of the last season. When rooting against Kentucky, he was always the guy that if he made a good play, you were disappointed cause you thought he was the weak link in the lineup. Patrick Beverly is an extremely active player, but he never made me think he could be a pure point guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 One of the main benefits of collapsing the defense is creating open 3-point shots. If everyone is trying to drive and you don't have anyone that can shoot, you end up with a team like the 76ers that can't get good shots because every defender is cheating to the lane. a fair point, too...Thats why I hope we re-sign Korver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 11:16 AM) It really isn't. People have been asking for someone that can put the ball in the net, not someone that would take the ball out of Derrick's hands. No. The type of player you are describing is more of a 3 point specialist. We had one in Korver and he didn't help in the Heat series because he was a liability on defense. The Heat proved that they can shut down our offense if they put Lebron on Rose. We need another guy who can handle ball and score at the wing position. The reason Lebron didn't shut down Westbrook like he did on Rose is because they have Durant and Harden who can handle the ball, if they put Lebron on either of the three, the other two can still step up and create offense. That's why Westbrook was able to do his thing. We don't have that other guy on our team yet. We don't just need a shooter, we need a wing who can handle and create if we want to beat the Heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Not only that, but we need a back up PG that can dribble drive and get to the rim and finish too. Neither CJ or Lucas could really do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 11:30 AM) No. The type of player you are describing is more of a 3 point specialist. We had one in Korver and he didn't help in the Heat series because he was a liability on defense. The Heat proved that they can shut down our offense if they put Lebron on Rose. We need another guy who can handle ball and score at the wing position. The reason Lebron didn't shut down Westbrook like he did on Rose is because they have Durant and Harden who can handle the ball, if they put Lebron on either of the three, the other two can still step up and create offense. That's why Westbrook was able to do his thing. We don't have that other guy on our team yet. We don't just need a shooter, we need a wing who can handle and create if we want to beat the Heat. Three comments... 1) The Bulls also bricked a ton of outside shots in that series. Bogans and Korver were essentially useless, bricking wide-open 3's all series. If they had hit a few of those, the series would not have ended in 5. 2) I never said they need another Kyle Korver. What they need is a 2-guard (not a backup PG that is never going to be on the floor at the same time as Derrick) that can do a little bit of everything. The ability to stretch the floor is important because otherwise you get teams successfully packing the paint like the Heat did in that playoff series, and they need at least some ability to get decent shots in one-on-one situations. That's very different from getting a pure driver that needs the ball to be effective and would take the ball out of Derrick's hands. 3) The Thunder are basically what you want, but it has very little to do with having additional ball-handlers. Their wing players aren't Tyreke Evans or Monta Ellis types that have to play on the ball to be effective. Durant isn't a guy that dominates the ball looking for driving opportunities. He gets a ton of catch and shoot looks and drives when the opportunity presents itself. Harden is similar. He's not going to get 6 attempts at the rim per game, virtually half his FG attempts are 3's. He drives enough to get to the line and make people respect the threat that he'll go by them. Unfortunately, those kind of multi-talented players aren't very easy to find. Edited July 13, 2012 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SexiAlexei Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 11:13 AM) Hinrich can play the 2 with Derrick on the floor, and CJ and Rose played on the same floor at times. If Teague turns out to be good they could play sets with him on the floor. I agree that they can run these sets, but I don't think that makes you a better team. To me, having a backup PG fill the SG role is not ideal, and is not going to put the bulls over the hump. Hinrich is a declining PG, who can still shoot the 3, but is not good at creating his own shot, and doesn't bring much except an additional ball handler. To be honest, if you could take away injury concerns, I'd rather have Rip playing the 2 rather than Hinrich, so I don't see this as an upgrade at the 2 at all. Teague may turn out to be an excellent player, and maybe he can become what the bulls need. He will be an undersized SG for sure. There is also a reason he was drafted so low. Him developing into the player the Bulls need is a long shot. It happens, but it's no way a guarantee. I also understand that there are not many if any playmakers available, or starting SG's. But I would not say that any of their moves this off season are any different than previous years. I don't see signing backup PG's as something to be excited about or show me they are moving in a "new" direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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