fathom Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Ventura sure pushes his starters to the limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I don't know about selfish, but it's a dumb approach. He should learn from Paulie. You have to take some pitches and not swing that hard every time. He really does remind me of Uribe sometimes. Other times he looks like a guy with huge upside. Paulie is a good hitter. Viciedo is just a hacker, he's in the Adam Dunn mold I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 08:03 PM) How has no one asked why Gavin started this inning? Robin figures a guy paid as much as Gavin should be able to give six innings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:01 PM) Just like your boy Alex Rios did as a 27 year old in 2009 and a 29 year old in 2011? I never made excuses for him. All I said was that given the enormous salary we owed him, it was in our best interests to continue playing him. And honestly, Alex and Tank are such similar players with similar faults, that is a perfect analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:04 PM) Paulie is a good hitter. Viciedo is just a hacker, he's in the Adam Dunn mold I fear. Except Dunn still gets on base at a very good clip. Dayan hacks, but doesn't walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 08:04 PM) Paulie is a good hitter. Viciedo is just a hacker, he's in the Adam Dunn mold I fear. Yeah I'd agree he's a hacker. He simply swings at almost every pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 The Sox looking for an at em ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:02 PM) Walks per year: 2009: 23 (AA) 2010: 13 (AAA-Big league bench) 2011: 54 Done. I've shown you that he can. I'm talking about the MLB level and you damn-well know it. How many motherf***ing walks does he have this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Except Dunn still gets on base at a very good clip. Dayan hacks, but doesn't walk. Tell me about it. He's brutal. Someone must have told him that walking is for girls at some point in his career because he's allergic to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 04:03 PM) I don't know about selfish, but it's a dumb approach. He should learn from Paulie. You have to take some pitches and not swing that hard every time. He really does remind me of Uribe sometimes. Other times he looks like a guy with huge upside. When Paul Konerko was 23 he didn't have this good of an approach. And, when Paul Konerko was 23, he had 2232 minor league PA's under his belt. Viciedo had 1299. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) Gavin is toast. Sept.........time Hawk I am not going to tip my cap to a mental midget! Edited July 1, 2012 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I wonder what he said to AJ. He seemed pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 04:05 PM) I'm talking about the MLB level and you damn-well know it. How many motherf***ing walks does he have this year? 12. How many motherf***ing 23 year olds can be legit contributors without any struggles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:06 PM) When Paul Konerko was 23 he didn't have this good of an approach. And, when Paul Konerko was 23, he had 2232 minor league PA's under his belt. Viciedo had 1299. Viciedo has Cuban experience. That counts as minor league experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:06 PM) When Paul Konerko was 23 he didn't have this good of an approach. And, when Paul Konerko was 23, he had 2232 minor league PA's under his belt. Viciedo had 1299. He's played baseball all his life. He knows better than to swing as hard as he can every time. He is having a solid year for his first full MLB season, but it doesn't excuse the fact that he is often very selfish at the plate many times. Thursday night swinging for the fences in that situation was fine, but he takes that approach nearly every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 04:08 PM) Viciedo has Cuban experience. That counts as minor league experience. Ok, Paul Konerko probably played baseball in high school. That counts too under that silly of a standard. After all, Viciedo was playing baseball at age 15! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 08:06 PM) When Paul Konerko was 23 he didn't have this good of an approach. And, when Paul Konerko was 23, he had 2232 minor league PA's under his belt. Viciedo had 1299. Good stats. It should be interesting to see how he changes his approach. Isn't there a chance he's 27 or 28 though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:07 PM) I wonder what he said to AJ. He seemed pissed. No more than Sox fans watching him last 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:07 PM) 12. How many motherf***ing 23 year olds can be legit contributors without any struggles? I don't mind struggles. He's not showing a capacity to improve his weaknesses...those same weaknesses which will relegate him to being Russell Branyon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:06 PM) When Paul Konerko was 23 he didn't have this good of an approach. And, when Paul Konerko was 23, he had 2232 minor league PA's under his belt. Viciedo had 1299. Viciedo is no Konerko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Is Nate Jones ok? Has he pitched recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:09 PM) Ok, Paul Konerko probably played baseball in high school. That counts too under that silly of a standard. After all, Viciedo was playing baseball at age 15! You are smarter than this. Are you going to argue that the professional Cuban league is the same as high school ball in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Septimo Severus! Thats how it's done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 04:09 PM) He's played baseball all his life. He knows better than to swing as hard as he can every time. He is having a solid year for his first full MLB season, but it doesn't excuse the fact that he is often very selfish at the plate many times. Thursday night swinging for the fences in that situation was fine, but he takes that approach nearly every time. Do you really think that very many people come into the bigs and actually know that? Hell, just thinking about guys in this game, Robinson Cano didn't know that, Curtis Granderson didn't know that (dude struck out 174 times in his first full year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Septimo says enough is enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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