justBLAZE Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Sox scouting the Marlins/Cardinals series... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 08:16 PM) Sox scouting the Marlins/Cardinals series... Anibal Sanchez, it would seem? I can't see Marlins trading away anyone yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 03:22 PM) Anibal Sanchez, it would seem? I can't see Marlins trading away anyone yet. But with Stanton out...they're very likely to be trading people by the end of July unless someone makes up for his bat. They're already the 3rd worst offense in the NL, and now they've lost their only hitter with an OPS over .800 for the next 5-6 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 08:27 PM) But with Stanton out...they're very likely to be trading people by the end of July unless someone makes up for his bat. They're already the 3rd worst offense in the NL, and now they've lost their only hitter with an OPS over .800 for the next 5-6 weeks. I can't see them giving up though, regardless of whether they should or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 03:57 PM) I can't see them giving up though, regardless of whether they should or not. Mark Buehrle's contract was written so that they could give up if they had to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Yup I was thinking Sanchez as well, he's had couple of rough outings lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Potential for another Jackson/Hudson redux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 04:07 PM) Potential for another Jackson/Hudson redux. ? Who would the Sox be giving up anywhere as good as Hudson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 03:03 PM) Mark Buehrle's contract was written so that they could give up if they had to. I'm not sure that I understand this thinking...if they desire to move him, they're going to have to either eat a s***load of that contract or trade some major talent along with Mark. Mark has pitched well, but I don't see anyone wanting him for 3.5 years and $54 million right now. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 04:14 PM) I'm not sure that I understand this thinking...if they desire to move him, they're going to have to either eat a s***load of that contract or trade some major talent along with Mark. Mark has pitched well, but I don't see anyone wanting him for 3.5 years and $54 million right now. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong. I'd rather see us eat a bunch of money to get a player like Buehrle instead of creating a big hole in our offense to bring in another top pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) Maybe they were scouting Miami for Randy Choate? Edited July 8, 2012 by soxfan49 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 02:16 PM) Sox scouting the Marlins/Cardinals series... Heath Bell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner10 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (Wedge @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 06:40 PM) Heath Bell? Why? AddiReed is doing just fine and you have Thorton Jones and Crain who can all close we need a middle of the pen guy or a setup man... I'd say look for a deal linking Santiago with another youngster for a starter or a middle guy because if Danks is healthy we have a long man in Humber. I say KW sits on this for a little bit and sees how our young pitchers do in the start of the 2nd half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (Wagz @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 06:51 PM) Why? AddiReed is doing just fine and you have Thorton Jones and Crain who can all close we need a middle of the pen guy or a setup man... I'd say look for a deal linking Santiago with another youngster for a starter or a middle guy because if Danks is healthy we have a long man in Humber. I say KW sits on this for a little bit and sees how our young pitchers do in the start of the 2nd half Perhaps I'm missing something, but I'm fairly confident in saying that Wedge was being sarcastic about Bell, hence the emoticon.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (Wagz @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 06:51 PM) Why? AddiReed is doing just fine and you have Thorton Jones and Crain who can all close we need a middle of the pen guy or a setup man... I'd say look for a deal linking Santiago with another youngster for a starter or a middle guy because if Danks is healthy we have a long man in Humber. I say KW sits on this for a little bit and sees how our young pitchers do in the start of the 2nd half Sorry I forgot the sarcasm font Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner10 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Sorry Im at work it didnt show up on these awful old computers. I apologize for the D**k comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 05:23 PM) I'd rather see us eat a bunch of money to get a player like Buehrle instead of creating a big hole in our offense to bring in another top pitcher. Well of course you would...it's not your money... I don't view dealing Viciedo as creating a big hole in our offense, however. He's more like a luxury at this point. If I'm going to spend that kind of money, I'd rather have Hamels...so you deal Viciedo for him now and then sign him long-term, you're spending more over the course of the contract but probably not much more over the course of the next 3+ years. Additionally, I would be a bit shocked if the Marlins were to cut bait on Mark after so little time. That would be almost unprecedented in recent MLB history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 06:10 PM) Well of course you would...it's not your money... I don't view dealing Viciedo as creating a big hole in our offense, however. He's more like a luxury at this point. If I'm going to spend that kind of money, I'd rather have Hamels...so you deal Viciedo for him now and then sign him long-term, you're spending more over the course of the contract but probably not much more over the course of the next 3+ years. Additionally, I would be a bit shocked if the Marlins were to cut bait on Mark after so little time. That would be almost unprecedented in recent MLB history. Why would you dump from our offense in a playoff run? Dayan is on pace for a ~80 RBI (even better if you don't include the cold April in your projection) season, as much as I like Jordan Danks I sure don't expect him to have production like that for the rest of the season. The point made earlier in the thread was that anyone that would pay Mark could have Mark. If the chairman was willing to pay Mark, I'd certainly choose that over giving up a key cog in our offense and even bigger key to the future in Viciedo for yet another starting pitcher. If we're not willing to pay Mark (or he isn't truly available at such a low price), then I still don't want to move Viciedo for a starter. Too much subtraction for the addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 07:43 PM) Why would you dump from our offense in a playoff run? Dayan is on pace for a ~80 RBI (even better if you don't include the cold April in your projection) season, as much as I like Jordan Danks I sure don't expect him to have production like that for the rest of the season. The point made earlier in the thread was that anyone that would pay Mark could have Mark. If the chairman was willing to pay Mark, I'd certainly choose that over giving up a key cog in our offense and even bigger key to the future in Viciedo for yet another starting pitcher. If we're not willing to pay Mark (or he isn't truly available at such a low price), then I still don't want to move Viciedo for a starter. Too much subtraction for the addition. Yeah, I understand your point. I just disagree. I'd gladly throw Hamels/Sale/Peavy/Quintana/Danks-Floyd out there with a lineup not featuring Viciedo over the same rotation (given the question marks) and a lineup including Dayan. You've also got to factor in the notion that the chances Mark is available right now are slim to none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 If we add anything, KW will not subtract from the ML roster unless it's a lesser bullpen arm like Santiago or Septimo. Or I can see us dangle Quintana in the right trade, but there is no way KW will trade Tank. I'm pretty confident though pitching will be added and I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if KW pulls another shocker. Again although all the reporting sites say our farm system is horrible, I disagree and KW shows he can get a big name with guys we have in the minors. Let's wait and see but sooner than later KW is going to strike!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 06:23 PM) ...Let's wait and see but sooner than later KW is going to strike!! strike in the name of inequality? living wage rights? Why would kenny strike? Joking aside - what SP's are available that the sox could land? I'm not thinking hammels or grenke match up with us well. Edited July 9, 2012 by hi8is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pktmotion Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 02:16 PM) Sox scouting the Marlins/Cardinals series... People thinking about a possible Miami trade.. but I wouldn't discount a St. Louis deal. Mitch Boggs or Lance Lynn maybe for someone like Axelrod, Petricka, or Castro coupled with Dan Johnson, I know he's not a prospect but a capable ML power bat that could be useful to a team with zero power from the left side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 05:23 PM) I'd rather see us eat a bunch of money to get a player like Buehrle instead of creating a big hole in our offense to bring in another top pitcher. Man, that Buehrle contract is really bad. It's hard to imagine paying him $19 Mil when he's 37. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 QUOTE (pktmotion @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 10:07 PM) People thinking about a possible Miami trade.. but I wouldn't discount a St. Louis deal. Mitch Boggs or Lance Lynn maybe for someone like Axelrod, Petricka, or Castro coupled with Dan Johnson, I know he's not a prospect but a capable ML power bat that could be useful to a team with zero power from the left side. No way St. Louis trades young, cheap, and live arms. While I'd love either one St. Louis and Miami most likely would be looking to cut payroll in any trades, thus most likely veterans. I really don't know who we'd be scouting from those two teams, I don't see either one of those teams trading from their ML roster. With the extra WC spot I would imagine they will hold tight if not add like Miami already did this week. St. Louis was all but counted out last year, caught fire at the right time and have another ring on their fingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Are the Cubs still paying Zambrano's contract or is that on Miami. He would be one I'd have some interest in on Miami, other then MB obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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