caulfield12 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Because the Rangers went from bankruptcy to a cash machine in less than 3 years (50% because of the new t.v. contract, 50% because of 2 consecutive World Series appearances)...the White Sox should now trade for Greinke, sign Josh Hamilton in the offseason as well as retain the services of Peavy and Youkilis. Why not? It's not Marty's money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 10:10 AM) Did the revenues of the Dodgers just double or triple in a day this year? Their TV contract is up after this season if I'm not mistaken. So you think the opportunity to win a World Series is not worth giving up Viciiedo from a financial standpoint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 10:22 AM) Because the Rangers went from bankruptcy to a cash machine in less than 3 years (50% because of the new t.v. contract, 50% because of 2 consecutive World Series appearances)...the White Sox should now trade for Greinke, sign Josh Hamilton in the offseason as well as retain the services of Peavy and Youkilis. Why not? It's not Marty's money. You love to curry favor even when you have to make stuff up to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 10:24 AM) Their TV contract is up after this season if I'm not mistaken. So you think the opportunity to win a World Series is not worth giving up Viciiedo from a financial standpoint? Again. What changed in the Dodgers revenue that made them go from a team worth $1.4b (was the 2012 Forbes number,) to $2.15 billion in a span of a couple of months? In 2011 they were valued at $800 million. Did their total revenue about triple from 2011 to spring 2012? The funny part... their revenues dropped from 2011 to 2012. Valuation is subjective. Cash flow is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 10:24 AM) Their TV contract is up after this season if I'm not mistaken. So you think the opportunity to win a World Series is not worth giving up Viciiedo from a financial standpoint? And they don't have an opportunity now? The Cardinals in 2006 and 2011 would disagree. So 10-11 starts out of Greinke, that doesn't even mean we'll go 10-1. Look at Jake Peavy's results vs. offensive performances in those games. Let's say he somehow goes 8-3 (or the team's record is that), who's to say Danks couldn't do the same thing? Young, cost-controlled position players are worth a lot more to a team than a starting pitcher rental for 40% of the season. I think you mentioned it was easy to find a LF who would put up a 727 OPS, which is the big league average for that position. So who is this player who's so easily obtainable right now or available as a FA? Oh, that's right. Juan Pierre. Surely that combo of DeAza and Pierre at the top of the line-up is going to guarantee us 2-3 World Series championships. Edited July 17, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Jason (Milwaukee) Greinke, recharging batteries or sitting out to avoid injury before he is traded? Jayson Stark (12:13 PM) I don't know exactly what to make of this. But the problem for the Brewers is, the teams that were in on Greinke don't know what to make of it, either. Even if this is just to recharge or get him back on a routine, sitting him down in a week where they're playing the Cardinals and Reds raises a million red flags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I wonder if Hawk is saying yes or no to KW in regards to going after Greinke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 11:18 AM) I wonder if Hawk is saying yes or no to KW in regards to going after Greinke I wonder what LaRussa is telling Chairman Reinsdorf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I think the Sox have switched up strategies. Instead of not being mentioned in on any player, they are now mentioned in on almost all. I think the reality is far different. I don't think they are really after Greinke or Dempster, but you might as well boost up the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago...mp;feedID=10338 JJ STANKEVITZ csnchicago.png According to a report Monday, the White Sox "have Zack Greinke on their radar." Whatever that actually means is up for interpretation, as it could lie anywhere on the spectrum from kicking the tires to legitimate interest. Greinke has been fantastic this year, posting a 3.57 ERA with a 2.55 FIP in 20 starts. The White Sox saw first-hand how good the righty can be during his days in Kansas City, and he also threw nine shutout innings at U.S. Cellular Field on June 22. The first question that has to be answered regarding the Greinke sweepstakes involves Milwaukee's willingness to punt 2012 in order to improve a lagging farm system. The Brewers are five games under .500 and well behind Pittsburgh for the second Wild Card spot, with five teams separating them from the Pirates. Milwaukee, reportedly, will have a tough time keeping Greinke around after his contract expires at the end of the season. That, however, doesn't necessarily diminish Greinke's trade value, as the Brewers can still reap draft picks if Greinke signs elsewhere in the offseason. They don't absolutely have to trade Greinke, but if the right offer comes along, they'll likely take it. Even for less than half a season of Greinke, he's likely to command a fairly high return, and the Brewers would be smart to look at getting a top prospect given their farm system entered the year in the bottom five of most rankings. With plenty of interest in Greinke and the draft pick option in Milwaukee's back pocket, prying him away won't be easy. Of course, if everything goes right, the White Sox may not need Greinke. The White Sox need three of these four pitchers to come back healthy and effective or stay effective: Gavin Floyd, John Danks, Philip Humber and Jose Quintana. If 75 percent of them are viable major-league starters for the rest of the season, the Sox will be fine. And if Dylan Axelrod pitches like he did Monday in Boston, they may only need half. That's not to say the White Sox shouldn't pursue Greinke, because he'd be an upgrade for every team in baseball. But do they need him? Maybe not. Plus, the White Sox haven't made a major deadline splash for a half-season rental player under Kenny Williams since the first Carl Everett trade in 2003. Freddy Garcia was signed to an extension upon coming to Chicago in 2004, Jake Peavy had 3 1/2 years left on his deal when the Sox got him in 2009 and Edwin Jackson had a season and a half remaining in 2010. There are still two weeks remaining until the trade deadline for something to happen, either in Chicago, Milwaukee or elsewhere around baseball. Maybe the White Sox have legitimate interest in Greinke, or maybe they're just doing their due diligence. We should have an answer two weeks from today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'm trying to think of who (prospects-wise) I wouldn't want to give up for Greinke, assuming there's a good chance to extend him. I think it's nobody. As a rental, that's tougher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 01:24 PM) I'm trying to think of who (prospects-wise) I wouldn't want to give up for Greinke, assuming there's a good chance to extend him. I think it's nobody. As a rental, that's tougher. Kenny Williams Jr. !...................oh, nevermind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (balfanman @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:44 PM) Kenny Williams Jr. !...................oh, nevermind :pray :pray :pray :pray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (balfanman @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:44 PM) Kenny Williams Jr. !...................oh, nevermind Oh, that would be hilarious. If KW Jr. is included as a throw-in in a big-time deal. You know, that is a fantastic setup for a baseball movie scene. Some off-the-wall cocky GM knows how bad some desperate GM wants his star pitcher, so he insists that the desperate GM include his son in the deal, even though the cocky GM knows the son is useless. Now the desperate GM has to choose between a family rift and blowing a legitimate shot at the postseason. Gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 http://www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery...or-Zach-Greinke Marty34 is Rosenbloom? Advocates trading for Greinke, says we can't afford Garza, Dempster or Hamels, but that we have the advantage because the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers are afraid to bring Zach to the big city. Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 04:07 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery...or-Zach-Greinke Marty34 is Rosenbloom? Advocates trading for Greinke, says we can't afford Garza, Dempster or Hamels, but that we have the advantage because the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers are afraid to bring Zach to the big city. Whatever. I can understand not being able to afford Hamels but the Wsox definitely can afford Dempster and I'm fairly confident Garza as well if they wanted to go that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 04:07 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery...or-Zach-Greinke Marty34 is Rosenbloom? Advocates trading for Greinke, says we can't afford Garza, Dempster or Hamels, but that we have the advantage because the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers are afraid to bring Zach to the big city. Whatever. So because Marty said it, it's "whatever"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Anybody we want from the Mets? They're cratering, and should be selling soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 09:38 PM) Anybody we want from the Mets? They're cratering, and should be selling soon. Johan Santana? No idea, probably someone from their bullpen, veteran reliever, but don't follow the Mets closely so no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 10:09 PM) Johan Santana? No idea, probably someone from their bullpen, veteran reliever, but don't follow the Mets closely so no idea. Don't they have big Jon Rauch? Not that I'd want him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 09:23 PM) Don't they have big Jon Rauch? Not that I'd want him back. KW and Rauch pretty much hate each other. From what I've heard, Cooper isn't a big Rauch fan, either. No way that's happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) Anybody we want from the Mets? They're cratering, and should be selling soon. Niese would be a nice addition to our rotation. I'd also take Cedeno to take over Escobar spot Edited July 18, 2012 by SOXOBAMA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) Can you guys see the Sox targeting middle relief over starting pitchers? The bullpen seems to be spread thin and I cringe whenever Jones delivers a pitch. And who might be available? Edited July 18, 2012 by MuckFinnesota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 10:54 PM) Can you guys see the Sox targeting middle relief over starting pitchers? The bullpen seems to be spread thin and I cringe whenever Jones delivers a pitch. And who might be available? •Jonathan Broxton, Royals - The Royals are open to moving Broxton, but they aren't about to give him away for nothing. •Matt Capps, Twins - It sounds as though the Twins are willing to listen to offers for Capps, who was recently activated from the disabled list after recovering from shoulder inflammation. The trade candidate has a 3.42 ERA with a 16K/4BB ratio in 26 1/3 innings. •Grant Balfour, Athletics - Balfour has a 3.14 ERA with 6.7 K/9 and 3.8 BB/9 so far this season. His contract includes a $4.5MM club option for 2013. Click here for more on Balfour. •Brandon League, Mariners - League's trade value has diminished this year, but he still has a 3.35 ERA and recent success as a closer. •Huston Street, Padres - Street has a 1.13 ERA with 12.0 K/9 and 3.0 BB/9 for the Padres and is definitely a midseason trade candidate. His contract includes a mutual option for 2013. •Kevin Gregg, Orioles - The Orioles were shopping Gregg earlier this year. He has a 4.07 ERA with 7.8 K/9 and 4.8 BB/9 through 23 appearances. •Rafael Betancourt and Matt Belisle, Rockies - The Rockies would have to be overwhelmed to trade either pitcher, ESPN.com's Buster Olney reported last month. •Francisco Rodriguez, Brewers - If the Brewers become sellers, they could trade Rodriguez. The Mets are one interested team. •Brett Myers, Astros - The Astros are prepared to move Myers, who has pitched well in his return to the bullpen. Click here for more on Myers. •Shawn Camp, Cubs - Camp leads the NL with 43 appearances and he has a 2.80 ERA. Yet he's a 36-year-old on a one-year deal, so the Cubs could flip him for prospects. •Casey Janssen, Blue Jays - The Blue Jays need Janssen now, but if they do decide to sell he’d draw interest. •Brad Lincoln, Pirates - The Diamondbacks and Padres might have some degree of interest in Lincoln, who's enjoying a breakout season. •Brandon Lyon, Astros - Lyon has a 3.24 ERA with 9.5 K/9 and 2.2 BB/9 so some teams might be willing to overlook that $5.5MM salary. •Mark Lowe, Rangers - It appeared earlier in the year that the Rangers were willing to listen on Lowe and Scott Feldman. •Wade Davis, Rays - Davis has a 3.12 ERA with 9.4 K/9 and 3.8 BB/9 since the Rays moved him to the bullpen, so it wouldn't be surprising to see him draw interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 09:38 PM) Anybody we want from the Mets? They're cratering, and should be selling soon. I'd like Tim Byrdak actually. Very effective LOOGY type guy. Been around awhile and from my hometown of Lockport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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