Melissa1334 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 11:19 AM) I don't think it would take much to get Putz or Oliver. it also shouldnt take THAT much to get liriano. hes not an ace, hes going to be a free agent, there are better options out there. id imagine that the twins rather get something for him. dont see what we could give them as the center piece though. id imagine that they would want quintana. they dont need outfielders at all(mitchell) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 11:54 AM) it also shouldnt take THAT much to get liriano. hes not an ace, hes going to be a free agent, there are better options out there. id imagine that the twins rather get something for him. dont see what we could give them as the center piece though. id imagine that they would want quintana. they dont need outfielders at all(mitchell) The White Sox haven't made a trade with Minnesota since Hawk was the GM. I don't think they will make a deal with them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS with cain in mind, #phillies planning to offer hamels close to $130M for 6 yrs but may go bit higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 01:02 PM) The White Sox haven't made a trade with Minnesota since Hawk was the GM. I don't think they will make a deal with them now. I thought about this too, but then I considered that Minnesota probably hasn't been this bad since Hawk was GM either, so maybe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 12:04 PM) Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS with cain in mind, #phillies planning to offer hamels close to $130M for 6 yrs but may go bit higher. That is totally insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 The White Sox haven't made a trade with Minnesota since Hawk was the GM. I don't think they will make a deal with them now. MN did trade Young to Det last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 07:50 AM) I think there was rumors that we were trying to sign him a couple of years ago, correct? Yes there were. I think he was going to come to spring training for the minimum to play for his favorite team. But then the Mets offered him a guaranteed 2 years and he obviously went to New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 12:05 PM) MN did trade Young to Det last season. thats the only reason i mentioned liriano. doesnt seem likely though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 12:36 PM) No, JP would be my LF then who plays cf? well lets just hope this doesnt happen lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 12:05 PM) That is totally insane. 21.6 mil a year for six years, seems right to me, with what other pitchers are getting and hes legit. i think its going to take more than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Jon Morosi @jonmorosi #Tigers #WhiteSox and #Orioles have checked in on #Padres lefty Clayton Richard. Former @umichfootball quarterback. Pitches today in SD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Jon Morosi tweets that the White Sox are looking at Clayton Richards, the worst fielding pitcher I ever saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 01:15 PM) Jon Morosi tweets that the White Sox are looking at Clayton Richards, the worst fielding pitcher I ever saw. Bill Melton? Is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Here's an idea. Why don't we trade for someone who WON'T cost us Viciedo but will still give us a huge boost, like Liriano or Guthrie? John Paul Morosi Updated Jul 18, 2012 11:47 AM ET Tuesday night, it became apparent that the three American League Central contenders have the same trade-deadline need. WHAT'S THE DEAL? Follow the latest trade deadline moves with our transaction tracker. A starting pitcher. In Detroit, Jacob Turner — the Tigers’ top pitching prospect — surrendered seven earned runs over two innings in a disastrous outing against the Los Angeles Angels. While the Angels were battering Turner, the Tampa Bay Rays — with one of the meeker lineups in the AL — scored three first-inning runs against Cleveland starter Josh Tomlin. He surrendered four runs in all and failed to complete the sixth inning in a 4-2 loss. Earlier in the day, the first-place Chicago White Sox placed Gavin Floyd on the disabled list with right-elbow tendinitis. While Floyd could return as early as next week, the current rotation includes two All-Stars (Chris Sale and Jake Peavy), two rookies (Dylan Axelrod and Jose Quintana), and Phil Humber, who has a 7.02 ERA since throwing a perfect game in April — even after his win over Boston on Tuesday night. Can the acquisition of one starting pitcher help to swing a division race? Absolutely. It happened in the AL Central last year. The Tigers led the Indians by only three games before Doug Fister’s first start with the club Aug. 3. The Tigers had the best record in the AL from that point forward, including 9-2 in Fister’s starts. Detroit won the division by 15 games. This year, the White Sox, Tigers and Indians are likely scouting many of the same trade candidates. One starter who would fit nicely for all three teams — Minnesota’s Francisco Liriano — pitches for a division rival. Liriano returned to the Twins’ rotation May 30 after a brief spell in the bullpen; his 2.83 ERA since then is among the top 15 for major-league starters during that span, according to STATS LLC. Liriano, 28, would have particular appeal to the Tigers and Indians, who lack a left-handed starter in their rotations. (The White Sox have two, Sale and Quintana.) As for the complication of trading within the division: The Twins dealt Delmon Young to the Tigers last year, and Liriano will be eligible for free agency after the season, anyway. The White Sox have had the division’s best rotation this year, but they stand to gain the most by acquiring an established starter. As brilliantly as Sale and Peavy are pitching this year, they have surpassed the number of innings they threw in the majors last season. That raises concerns about their durability in the second half. Frankly, manager Robin Ventura can’t be too sure about what his other starters have left to offer, either. Quintana has a 5.68 ERA over his last three outings; Axelrod has only two quality starts this season; John Danks hasn’t pitched since May because of a left-shoulder injury, and there’s no guarantee he will return this year. The White Sox farm system is among the most barren in baseball, but that hasn’t stopped general manager Kenny Williams from making big deals before. Williams is known for taking chances on talented players at the low ebbs of their careers (A.J. Pierzynski, Carlos Quentin, Ken Griffey Jr., Manny Ramirez and most recently Kevin Youkilis.) Among available pitchers, Colorado’s Jeremy Guthrie best fits that description. He’s having a horrible season at high altitude, but his July ERA is a respectable 4.32. While Chicago’s U.S. Cellular Field is hardly a pitcher’s haven, Guthrie may be more comfortable there than at Coors Field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Jon Morosi tweets that the White Sox are looking at Clayton Richards, the worst fielding pitcher I ever saw. God I hope not.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 01:14 PM) Jon Morosi @jonmorosi #Tigers #WhiteSox and #Orioles have checked in on #Padres lefty Clayton Richard. Former @umichfootball quarterback. Pitches today in SD. Unless he is bringing PETCO with him to pitch in, no f***ing way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 12:19 PM) Here's an idea. Why don't we trade for someone who WON'T cost us Viciedo but will still give us a huge boost, like Liriano or Guthrie? Absolutely NO to Guithrie. The Coors Field excuse only goes so far. He's been awful - NOT an upgrade, at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 01:25 PM) Absolutely NO to Guithrie. The Coors Field excuse only goes so far. He's been awful - NOT an upgrade, at all. Before this year, he actually held his own pretty well in the AL East. But his numbers this year are scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 01:18 PM) Bill Melton? Is that you? Boy, that hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Oh, not Guthrie, please. Not Richard either if he's going to cost prospects. What's respectable about a 4+ ERA in Petco? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 12:15 PM) Jon Morosi tweets that the White Sox are looking at Clayton Richards, the worst fielding pitcher I ever saw. You obviously have forgotten about Britt Burns, you know, the one Hawk said was going to get killed out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) By Breakdown ERA W L SV SVO GP GS CG IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG Home 4.42 16 22 0 0 50 49 0 311.2 322 162 153 42 77 191 .265 Away 4.36 14 26 0 0 49 48 3 305.2 308 164 148 44 99 168 .263 GUTHRIE has been virtually the identical same pitcher, home and away, in 2009/10/11. Eerily consistent. He's fine as a 5th starter. And then we have Cooper. Wouldn't we be happy to get those numbers out of Floyd or Humber or Quintana or Axelrod for the remainder of the season? Or even Danks? And he's not going to cost an arm and a leg. And he's a workhorse, averaging 200+ IP over three seasons. Edited July 18, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 12:37 PM) By Breakdown ERA W L SV SVO GP GS CG IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG Home 4.42 16 22 0 0 50 49 0 311.2 322 162 153 42 77 191 .265 Away 4.36 14 26 0 0 49 48 3 305.2 308 164 148 44 99 168 .263 GUTHRIE has been virtually the identical same pitcher, home and away, in 2009/10/11. Eerily consistent. He's fine as a 5th starter. And then we have Cooper. Wouldn't we be happy to get those numbers out of Floyd or Humber or Quintana or Axelrod for the remainder of the season? Or even Danks? And he's not going to cost an arm and a leg. Guthrie isn't an upgrade over any of these. Maybe in Balt, where he had zero pressure to win, but not in a pennant race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 My prediction the Sox will make a trade for Sanchez.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (balfanman @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 01:36 PM) You obviously have forgotten about Britt Burns, you know, the one Hawk said was going to get killed out there. Britt was only dangerous to himself. Richard was dangerous to anyone sitting along the first base side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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