iamshack Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I still want Liriano more than Greinke or JJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 11:38 AM) I still want Liriano more than Greinke or JJ. Well, depending on the price, I think JJ is the clear winner in that group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 10:44 AM) Well, depending on the price, I think JJ is the clear winner in that group. I don't know how you could say that right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 11:48 AM) I don't know how you could say that right now. Because I believe in Johnson's stuff, and he has another year on his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 10:25 AM) Why would Greinke cost that much more than Dempster? He wouldn't. He'd cost less, I'd say, not more. Greinke is a pretty big gamble, in addition to being a rental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Also, didn't see it in here (might have missed it), but White Sox scouts were at the Brewers/Phillies game yesterday. But Greinke wasn't pitching yesterday, so... anyone else on those squads we might be looking at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 11:38 AM) I still want Liriano more than Greinke or JJ. QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 11:44 AM) Well, depending on the price, I think JJ is the clear winner in that group. Any of the three would be a huge improvement for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 11:57 AM) Also, didn't see it in here (might have missed it), but White Sox scouts were at the Brewers/Phillies game yesterday. But Greinke wasn't pitching yesterday, so... anyone else on those squads we might be looking at? Juan Pierre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 10:52 AM) Because I believe in Johnson's stuff, and he has another year on his contract. His stuff isn't the problem so much...it's the constant injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:01 PM) His stuff isn't the problem so much...it's the constant injuries. Liriano belongs in the same boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:01 PM) Juan Pierre? Don't even joke about that!! QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:01 PM) His stuff isn't the problem so much...it's the constant injuries. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:01 PM) Liriano belongs in the same boat. Yup, and combined with Grienke's depression/anxiety issues I put Johnson as the best pitcher to acquire. That said, if you include price, Liriano is probably the smartest one to go after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:03 PM) Don't even joke about that!! Yup, and combined with Grienke's depression/anxiety issues I put Johnson as the best pitcher to acquire. That said, if you include price, Liriano is probably the smartest one to go after. Yeah, all three have some major flaws. But, again, they would be a huge + over Phil Humber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Also, didn't see it in here (might have missed it), but White Sox scouts were at the Brewers/Phillies game yesterday. But Greinke wasn't pitching yesterday, so... anyone else on those squads we might be looking at? I heard the Phillies might trade Doc or Lee, so they can sign Hamels to a extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:01 PM) Juan Pierre? You stop that! Stop that!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:01 PM) Liriano belongs in the same boat. Liriano has been a picture of health compared to Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:06 PM) I heard the Phillies might trade Doc or Lee, so they can sign Hamels to a extension. Well that would certainly be a big splash. Somehow I don't think the Sox are in that ballpark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 My choice would be Gallardo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 08:28 AM) Floyd, Reed and Viciedo...if Dempster is really worth Delgado. No way I do that if I'm KW. No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:10 PM) My choice would be Gallardo great contract, dont think they would move him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:12 PM) No way I do that if I'm KW. No way. Neither would he, or anyone else. 2 months of a head case is absolutely not worth that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 09:25 AM) Why would Greinke cost that much more than Dempster? It's only one year of Floyd at $9.5 million. That's not exactly a huge bargain. As we all know, relievers, even closers....can be overrated in terms of their value. (See Santos, Sergio). Delgado would be under team control for 5 years Look at it this way, would you have rather Viciedo/Reed or Delgado? Because clearly, Greinke's a better pitcher than Dempster, results over the last two months notwithstanding. According to Marty, Viciedo's easily replaceable, whereas young starting pitching under team control is not. For example, would Viciedo/Reed get us Infante/Sanchez? Maybe, maybe not. Would the Tigers rather keep Turner than have Viciedo/Reed? Obviously, they wouldn't make that move because of the presence of Berry, Boesch, Young, Raburn, Dirks, Worth, etc. And they already have Valverde, Dotel, Benoit and Villarreal. Edited July 24, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:18 PM) It's only one year of Floyd at $9.5 million. That's not exactly a huge bargain. As we all know, relievers, even closers....can be overrated in terms of their value. (See Santos, Sergio). Delgado would be under team control for 5 years Look at it this way, would you have rather Viciedo/Reed or Delgado? Because clearly, Greinke's a better pitcher than Dempster, results over the last two months notwithstanding. According to Marty, Viciedo's easily replaceable, whereas young starting pitching under team control is not. Bolded is where you derail. For THESE TWO MONTHS, Dempster not only looks like a better pitcher to have, he's also the opposite of a head case. Dempster's value right now in trade is higher than Greinke's, without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:01 PM) Juan Pierre? Oh hell no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:21 PM) Oh hell no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 11:20 AM) Bolded is where you derail. For THESE TWO MONTHS, Dempster not only looks like a better pitcher to have, he's also the opposite of a head case. Dempster's value right now in trade is higher than Greinke's, without a doubt. I might actually agree with you, but KW has a different way of thinking. He probably has coveted Greinke for 10 years...since he was scouted in high school. And KW has this overwhelming confidence in Cooper to get almost any pitcher that comes in to perform up to his ability. Plus, there's the fact that Greinke is much more familiar and comfortable with the AL Central than Dempster, who some are saying would be afraid to pitch in the AL for fear of diminishing his FA contract value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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