southsider2k5 Posted July 13, 2012 Author Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 02:34 PM) I'm thinking they thought Crain or Bruney would be available. When the weren't they couldn't recall Heath because he wasn't down long enough. Yeah, my first thought was Crain was coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 01:38 PM) Once you send someone down, you aren't allowed to recall them for 10 days without someone going on the DL. This isn't because they like one guy or the other better. It is just roster flexing around the schedule. Marinez will only be here for four days until Humber gets recalled. Thanks, was not aware of this rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I'm losing track of the bullpen. http://twitter.com/SouthSideAsylum/status/223846616052940800 Pretty sure if the Sox call up one more rookie for the bullpen they get another one free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 02:14 PM) http://twitter.com/SouthSideAsylum/status/223846616052940800 It will be neat when we set the record as the WS Champ with the most players ever to appear on a 25man in one season. I kind of doubt we're close to that, but there's a ways to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 03:14 PM) http://twitter.com/SouthSideAsylum/status/223846616052940800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 01:11 PM) WTF, his numbers are pretty decent. How are we just producing pen arms? The farm got criticized for having a lot of arms that looked destined for the bullpen (still seems to be the case for a number of current prospects), but in reality that's not so bad. Other than the stunning play out of Quintana and the unusual circumstances around Sale's draft selection, they haven't developed starters. Higher upside players (ie starters instead of relievers) grade out better with the prospect gurus so the system has always rated lower. That said, almost every pitching prospect the Sox had recently has had the stuff to be a good reliever. The Sox are very good at teaching control and mechanics and in recent years they've taken to drafting and acquiring big pitchers with big fastballs thinking they can refine the pitcher's stuff. Basically, they're taking advantage of what they do well and this is the result. Pretty cool, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 03:41 PM) The farm got criticized for having a lot of arms that looked destined for the bullpen (still seems to be the case for a number of current prospects), but in reality that's not so bad. Other than the stunning play out of Quintana and the unusual circumstances around Sale's draft selection, they haven't developed starters. Higher upside players (ie starters instead of relievers) grade out better with the prospect gurus so the system has always rated lower. That said, almost every pitching prospect the Sox had recently has had the stuff to be a good reliever. The Sox are very good at teaching control and mechanics and in recent years they've taken to drafting and acquiring big pitchers with big fastballs thinking they can refine the pitcher's stuff. Basically, they're taking advantage of what they do well and this is the result. Pretty cool, huh? Yeah but we also had B-Mac, Dan Hudson, and Gio Gonzalez in our system too all relatively young, when it comes to pitching as long as the Wsox aren't taking the safe first round college picks I think they know what they are doing, it is the hitting scouting and development in the minors that has been seriously lacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 04:05 PM) Yeah but we also had B-Mac, Dan Hudson, and Gio Gonzalez in our system too all relatively young, when it comes to pitching as long as the Wsox aren't taking the safe first round college picks I think they know what they are doing, it is the hitting scouting and development in the minors that has been seriously lacking. Agreed. But I will say they shocked some people with the number of younger (high school or early college) position players they took in this most recent draft... and they have a handful of boom/bust toolsy athletes, particularly outfielders, making their way through the system (Mitchell, Thompson, Walker), so we may see some change in that area over the next year or two. There are three or four infielders who just entered the system this year (draft and NDFA) that are tearing it up as well (DeMichele, Micah Johnson, Grabe, Jirschele), in the very early stages. Some fun stuff to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) The question is whether the depth in arms can actually be used to help acquire a usable starter...? Santiago, Omogrosso, Heath, Veal, Remenowsky, Leesman, Heindenreich, Marinez, Septimo....all these seemingly interchangeable pieces, how much are they actually worth to other teams? How much MORE is Nathan Jones worth than anyone in the bullpen but Reed? How many GM's would choose those 9 arms over Jones? What if you remove/d Santiago from the equation? Edited July 13, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 06:11 PM) WTF, his numbers are pretty decent. How are we just producing pen arms? More spots in the pen then for starters. It must be a plan or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 01:28 PM) I thought we had no farm system... We seem to be stacked with rookies that are preforming rather well. when you're producing a bunch of relievers how good is your system really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Without Sale, Reed, Viciedo, Humber, DeAza, Quintana and Santos....not so good. Of course, we can only take credit for 3/7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 12:36 PM) This happened at the lower levels when Buddy Bell took over. The problem is those kind of changes take years to have an effect on the major league team. Also with Ventura coming in, you are seeing the change with the major leaguers who were already here. Buddy Bell? Not so sure he gets the credit, but I would like to hear your thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 10:00 PM) Buddy Bell? Not so sure he gets the credit, but I would like to hear your thoughts. I think JHan Marinez will be ok. He showed some confidence out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 QUOTE (forrestg @ Jul 14, 2012 -> 12:49 AM) I think JHan Marinez will be ok. He showed some confidence out there For all those guys with great arms (Jones, Reed, Septimo, Santiago and Omogrosso), it's mostly a matter of control and their secondary stuff. Marinez threw 93-97, but he was all over the place (not unlike Leyson)...and he hung some of his offspeed stuff up, too. All things considered, tie game...on the road in a hostile environment on a 1st place team in the heat of a pennant race, good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 QUOTE (Real @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 06:07 PM) when you're producing a bunch of relievers how good is your system really? They're all filling holes that exist, which is the whole point of a farm system, soooo...pretty good? There are probably one or two of them that could start if needed (Marinez, Santiago) but that's not where the vacancies were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 QUOTE (Real @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:07 PM) when you're producing a bunch of relievers how good is your system really? This drives me crazy. If producing relievers was so easy, why are teams always looking for relief help and spending so much for it in the free agent market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Jhan looked good last night. A couple soft hits, but his stuff looks great. Fast four seamer, nice run and drop on 2 seamer, and a sick changeup that is the same shape as his 2 seamer. Hope he keeps it all in the zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Jul 14, 2012 -> 07:51 AM) They're all filling holes that exist, which is the whole point of a farm system, soooo...pretty good? There are probably one or two of them that could start if needed (Marinez, Santiago) but that's not where the vacancies were. Marinez has started a grand total of two games in his whole minor league career, including the Dominican. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/pro...?P=Jhan-Marinez Edited July 14, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 14, 2012 -> 04:00 PM) Marinez has started a grand total of two games in his whole minor league career, including the Domincan. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/pro...?P=Jhan-Marinez Khan Jhan. Some more New Youk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 14, 2012 -> 06:00 PM) Marinez has started a grand total of two games in his whole minor league career, including the Domincan. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/pro...?P=Jhan-Marinez Good point. Not sure who I'm thinking of then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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