iamshack Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Please move him down to 6th or 7th. When was the last time he knocked in an important run? The Cubs' series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 09:35 PM) Please move him down to 6th or 7th. When was the last time he knocked in an important run? The Cubs' series? that will never happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 08:36 PM) that will never happen Probably not...but it's what should happen. We don't owe him the cleanup spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 De Aza Youk Dunn Rios AJP PK Viciedo Alexei Beckham You put two high OBP guys in front of your hottest hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapzk Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 He won't be moved out of that spot cuz Ventura is the manager, just how Septimo wasn't moved out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 09:38 PM) De Aza Youk Dunn Rios AJP PK Viciedo Alexei Beckham You put two high OBP guys in front of your hottest hitter. Konerko has a higher on base perct. Than both guys. That being said he's killing us as of late, I think he's hurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 You don't move him down in the order. You DL him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 10:17 PM) You don't move him down in the order. You DL him. If he's truly hurt. I don't believe he is; at least I don't believe it is any injury that a short DL stint is going to fix. Hawk is pretty close to the players, especially PK, and he hasn't said a thing about him being injured. Just has continued to say "he is close," and clearly cheerleading for him to get back to being himself. If he was injured, I think we'd be hearing Hawk make more injury excuses for him. PK puts a lot of pressure on himself. He is obviously struggling a bit mentally. He is pouting more than I have ever seen him; more than in 2003 even. He isn't running out of the box. Move him down to a lower-leverage position in the order, let him get his head right, and get back on track. We're going to need him down the stretch. Edited July 17, 2012 by iamshack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 10:19 PM) If he's truly hurt. I don't believe he is; at least I don't believe it is any injury that a short DL stint is going to fix. Hawk is pretty close to the players, especially PK, and he hasn't said a thing about him being injured. Just has continued to say "he is close," and clearly cheerleading for him to get back to being himself. If he was injured, I think we'd be hearing Hawk make more injury excuses for him. PK puts a lot of pressure on himself. He is obviously struggling a bit mentally. He is pouting more than I have ever seen him; more than in 2003 even. He isn't running out of the box. Move him down to a lower-leverage position in the order, let him get his head right, and get back on track. We're going to need him down the stretch. http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/7/16/3161...-konerkos-slump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 The Sox have the second best record in baseball the past 6 weeks or so. The performance isn't preventing wins. Hawk mentioned a week or so ago his wrists and he did use the plural, were still not right. I also think his has a leg problem. He's slumping, but he'll be fine soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 06:19 AM) The Sox have the second best record in baseball the past 6 weeks or so. The performance isn't preventing wins. Hawk mentioned a week or so ago his wrists and he did use the plural, were still not right. I also think his has a leg problem. He's slumping, but he'll be fine soon. Thank you. A guy like PK, he will almost assuredly get out of the slump soon, and you don't move guys like him around in the order based on slumps. If you do, you are just changing the order constantly, and that has negative ramifications as well. Keep him there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Paul Konerko is a cornerstone guy right now. If you start jerking him around, you have to be careful about upsetting other guys in the clubhouse who look up to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 No, this is just DUMB, DUMB, DUMB. Sometimes...it just makes you wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I am really annoyed that he didnt have that bone chip removed in the offseason like he was going to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I thought he actually looked a bit better last night. He looked more confident taking pitches as if he was seeing the ball a bit better and he put a couple great swings on the ball. He's coming around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 You guys are absolutely ridiculous. You sound like Lovie Smith..."Rex is our quarterback." He cannot continue on his the rampage of suckitude while batting in the 4th spot. He's absolutely killing us right now. You go ahead and cite our winning record despite his horrendous performance. I say many of the games we did lose, including some of those tough losses Jake took, could, or should have been wins. He's not an 8 year old. He'll deal with the move down in the lineup just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 09:44 AM) You guys are absolutely ridiculous. You sound like Lovie Smith..."Rex is our quarterback." He cannot continue on his the rampage of suckitude while batting in the 4th spot. He's absolutely killing us right now. You go ahead and cite our winning record despite his horrendous performance. I say many of the games we did lose, including some of those tough losses Jake took, could, or should have been wins. He's not an 8 year old. He'll deal with the move down in the lineup just fine. Rex Grossman was a snotnosed half ass QB who had potential. Paul Konerko is a 13 year vet with the Sox, and their captain, who has a long history of performance. There is a big difference here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 09:44 AM) You guys are absolutely ridiculous. You sound like Lovie Smith..."Rex is our quarterback." He cannot continue on his the rampage of suckitude while batting in the 4th spot. He's absolutely killing us right now. You go ahead and cite our winning record despite his horrendous performance. I say many of the games we did lose, including some of those tough losses Jake took, could, or should have been wins. He's not an 8 year old. He'll deal with the move down in the lineup just fine. What's ridiculous is moving guys around the lineup constantly when the team is doing well, and when the pieces you want to move have shown to be good hitters who, like everyone else, have slumps. Making these changes right now just isn't a smart move, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 08:51 AM) Rex Grossman was a snotnosed half ass QB who had potential. Paul Konerko is a 13 year vet with the Sox, and their captain, who has a long history of performance. There is a big difference here. So we're willing to let him kill us in the cleanup spot instead of just moving him down to 6 or 7 because we don't want to hurt his feelings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 09:52 AM) So we're willing to let him kill us in the cleanup spot instead of just moving him down to 6 or 7 because we don't want to hurt his feelings? It isn't about hurting his feelings. No one said it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 09:52 AM) So we're willing to let him kill us in the cleanup spot instead of just moving him down to 6 or 7 because we don't want to hurt his feelings? Yes, clearly, that is the only reason to keep him in the cleanup spot. His feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 08:51 AM) What's ridiculous is moving guys around the lineup constantly when the team is doing well, and when the pieces you want to move have shown to be good hitters who, like everyone else, have slumps. Making these changes right now just isn't a smart move, IMO. Moving him down to get his stuff together again is not equivalent to "moving guys around the lineup constantly." I'm talking about moving Rios up to 4, AJ up to 5, and PK back to 6. I really think our guys will survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 08:53 AM) Yes, clearly, that is the only reason to keep him in the cleanup spot. His feelings. What are your reasons then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 09:54 AM) What are your reasons then? As stated in my earlier post... QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 09:51 AM) What's ridiculous is moving guys around the lineup constantly when the team is doing well, and when the pieces you want to move have shown to be good hitters who, like everyone else, have slumps. Making these changes right now just isn't a smart move, IMO. He's Paul Konerko. He slumps, but he's also an incredibly good hitter. As long as he's healthy, leaving him in that spot until he puts it back together is simply the best way to get results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 08:57 AM) As stated in my earlier post... He's Paul Konerko. He slumps, but he's also an incredibly good hitter. As long as he's healthy, leaving him in that spot until he puts it back together is simply the best way to get results. Why is that the best way to get results? You are offering absolutely zero evidence for this opinion. Maybe he would relax a bit if he weren't always hitting in such high-leverage spots? He's currently hitting behind two of the most patient hitters in baseball right now. He obviously has no speed, which is compounded by the fact that he isn't even running out of the box anymore, so he is a double-play machine and stranding runners in scoring position at an obscene rate. I'm not comfortable leaving him there because you say "leaving him in that spot until he puts it back together is simply the best way to get results." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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