Chick-Fil-A and Homosexuality

[BigSqwert]

Well, it's not like the guy used gay people to shake down political contributions and suck up some votes come November... come on now. "He just expressed his opinion!!!!!!!!!!!"

False. This isn't a case where he just made a comment/opinion. As clearly stated several times in this thread, he has contributed millions of dollars to organizations who are actively involved in trying to prevent gays from getting equal rights. Why do you only focus on the comment he made and not on the other part?

[Balta1701]

Gay people, what is worse:

 

A guy doing something that improves your lives and continues your fight for equality, even if the reasons may be political

 

or

 

A guy who is spending his fortune to keep you as a second class citizen, even though he believes it in his heart that you are godless sinners that should burn in hell

 

 

Tough choice.

 

A man doing the right thing even if for the wrong reasons, is much better then the man doing the wrong thing, following his convictions.

You will never get Kap to acknowledge that there is a right and wrong thing in this case.

[kapkomet]

False. This isn't a case where he just made a comment/opinion. As clearly stated several times in this thread, he has contributed millions of dollars to organizations who are actively involved in trying to prevent gays from getting equal rights. Why do you only focus on the comment he made and not on the other part?

 

 

Why can you only focus on the fact that they cannot nor do they discriminate at the place of business and what ever the hell the guy wants to do with his money is his own damn business? Furthermore, why can you only focus on the fact that the guy you voted for president literally changed his mind on an issue for political expediency for the sole purpose of shaking down hollywood money? You people cannot have it both ways.

[greg775]

Guys ... did the CEO of Chik Filet (sp) say anything that bad? Once again this is all over-reaction by the liberal media.

I read a NY Times column today that said the Chick-Fil-A guy said he was in favor of man/woman marriages and that society was rotting (not because of gays). The owner did NOT say he would discriminate against gays; he did not say being gay was wrong. He did not say he would not hire gays. He merely supported man/woman marriage and said society is beyond help right now. Does anybody dispute the demise of society??

 

What the hell did this guy say that was so wrong??? That was against his First Amendment Rights to say?? You see the Boston mayor backed down from his original statements that he'd try to run Chik Filet out of town. Now that folks is discriminatory.

 

My question to you all is ... did you read what the owner actually said?? Did you read the NY Times column today? Society is going to hell and a lot of people are still in favor of man/woman marriage. So WTF???? I don't think the Chik Filet CEO did anything wrong. It's his right to speak out. And he didn't say anything really bad. Did he??

 

 

p.s. Why is Focus on the Family so hated on here? The few times I've listened to the radio show I thought it was moderately interesting. Is it cult like?

Edited August 2, 2012 by greg775

[Soxbadger]

Where have I said that CFA isnt well within their rights to say what they want?

 

Im merely well within my rights not to buy their merchandise.

 

To use an easy example:

 

McDonalds could say they are for slavery and give money to pro-slavery groups. They are well within their rights to do that, no one can stop them from saying or believing whatever they want. But I dont have to keep going to McDonalds, I can correctly point out that McDonalds has an antiquated view that should be changed, and I can try and effectuate that change by hitting them where it hurts, public image and pocket.

 

To you what he said isnt bad, to someone else its terrible.

 

Its called opinion, we all unfortunately get one.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Soxbadger

[greg775]

RUSH LIMBAUGH IS NOW OFFICIALLY MY IDOL!!!!

This attack on Christianity angers me. Why will the liberal media not allow some of us to be Christians?! This society is going to hell and nobody cares. They'd rather pick on the Chic Fil A CEO??? My god.

I dare the haters to read this piece from Rush!!!

 

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/07/..._on_chick_fil_a

The Left's Stalinist War on Chick-Fil-A

July 27, 2012

 

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

 

RUSH: Let me talk about this business with Chick-Fil-A and Chicago and Boston. I personally am in stunned disbelief over the reaction to this on conservative blogs. What do we have? We have two mayors who are essentially Stalinist, who have had no problem whatsoever -- not one problem at all -- with going before the microphones and telling an American business, "You are not welcome here. And if you come here, you will be penalized or whatever the hell will happen."

 

All because the guy who owns the outfit happens to be a publicly professed Christian who believes that "marriage" has a specific definition. Now, this is a classic example of a government destroying an institution that has promoted the kind of society we have had in the past and the kind of society we've always wanted. This is a direct assault. That's a direct assault on Christianity. That is a direct assault on Christians. With economic punishment thrown in including threats from government officials that are in clear violation of the Constitution.

 

 

 

I read about it on conservative blogs, and I can't believe what I'm reading! I'm reading intellectual treatises on, "Well, you know, they have the right to say these things, and the solution here is let Chick-Fil-A open a store in Chicago and let's see if the people will visit it." That's not the reaction to have! The reaction to have is, "Who the hell do you think you are, Rahm Emanuel? Who the hell do you think you are? What country do you think you're in?"

 

Now, we want to have an intellectual debate here over the First Amendment? "Well, the solution to this is to let Chick-Fil-A open a store"? Yeah, let Chick-Fil-A open a store with the mayor of Chicago threatening anybody who walks into one? Meanwhile, this company hires gays. They serve gays. They don't discriminate! It's just that the owner happens to be a publicly professed, witnessing Christian. My God, you would think that he's the worst enemy Chicago ever had and the worst enemy Boston ever had!

 

Thirty years ago, if this woulda happened in this country, there would have been an uprising against Menino and Rahm Emanuel -- or Daley, or whoever would have done it. Today we get intellectual debates on who's got the right to do what and say what and say this and do that and do what where. The sense of proportion is all out of whack, and there's no outrage. So, yeah, I fully understand losing institutions. We're sitting by, and we are watching, every day, the institutions and traditions that have made this country great come under assault.

 

Day in and day out.

 

And I've been making that comment for 24 years. Too much of all of this has become nothing more than an opportunity for people to show how smart they are, how open-minded they are when they debate these things. Rather than having an actual, human, real-life reaction to this, which is, "This is outrageous!" The mayor of San Francisco. What is his name? I think his last name is Lee. The mayor of San Francisco got in on this, and he warned Chick-Fil-A, "You better not come here! You had better keep out!"

 

I am in stunned disbelief.

 

A restaurant chain that serves chicken sandwiches is a threat that cannot be abided. Meanwhile, I have a story in the Stack here today that on some of the Bay Area Rapid Transit escalators are human feces. People are defecating on the escalators, and the mayor of San Francisco wants everybody to know that he's not gonna permit any damn Christians in town. Edwin Lee is the guy's name. He wants every San Franciscan to understand that he's not gonna put up with any of these Christians coming to town.

 

And, as long as he does that, people can defecate all over the BART escalators all they want, and it won't matter 'cause the Christians are gonna be kept out of town. (interruption) No, no, I'm not saying it's a Christian country, but we can't deny the founding. Go back and look at anything George Washington ever said -- first inaugural, last inaugural, Farewell Address, first Thanksgiving address. This whole country was put together with thanks every day to God, blessings every day to God.

 

One of the very foundations of this country's founding is under daily assault by one of the two popular political parties in this country, the Democrat Party. I have a story here in the Stack: "Fewer People Can Identify Obama's Religion Than Romney's." Fewer than 50% of the people in this country think Obama's a Christian. That means something. (interruption) We wouldn't have a president... (interruption) Why is it? Well, I don't think... You go back and you listen to a speech.

 

Pick a speech at an appropriate period of time, from any president you want. (Except Woodrow Wilson. Throw him out.) Even FDR. You can't escape presidents quoting the Bible, reading passages from it, thanking God. This guy doesn't. He gives no indication he's familiar with it. (interruption) No, I'm the saying he's not a Christian. Please listen to what I'm saying.

 

Snerdley asked me, "Why don't at least 50% think he's a Christian?"

 

He doesn't sound like one. That's as far as it goes. I don't know what they think he is. The story I have doesn't talk about what they think he is, and that's not the point of what I'm saying. I'm talking about the really cultural transformational changes that have occurred throughout the country just in the last 24 years that I've been doing this, but it's been going on for much, much longer than that. (interruption) Oh, I'm told Woodrow Wilson quoted the Bible all the time. Well, that's even better for the point. You can't find it here. It's not part of this president's experience. I'm not saying it's good or bad. It's just an acknowledgement of what is.

 

But I have been fascinated -- I don't mean to be redundant here -- I have been fascinated to watch the reaction to Rahm Emanuel and Thomas Menino threaten something that's unconstitutional, threaten something that is illegal, and to just so blatantly do so. You would think that the vast majority of people in the country are gay, and you would think that gay marriage is the only marriage there is, and these guys at Chick-Fil-A represent 2% of the country and, as such, represent a threat. These Democrats have to do some of the most perverted things to appeal to their base that I have ever seen in politics.

 

They have to say, they have to do, they have to promise, they have to engage. Rahm Emanuel to the murdering gangsters in Chicago, "Leave kids alone. Take your murderous activity somewhere else." Not, "Stop your murderous activity." Just take it somewhere, leave our kids alone. What a caring guy. Oh, man, our mayor is really compassionate. He really loves the kids. So, yeah, the government, all out assault on the institutions that promote the kind of society that we have. And buying people off left and right. California is a microcosm. That's Buchanan's whole point. If you want to see America down the road, look at California, in terms of party politics.

 

Let me take a brief time-out here my friends. It's Open Line Friday, and we'll come back and throw you in the mix of all this. I'm still working on my iPad trying to get LTE, since they just turned it on so I'll do that and be back and join you. Just a second.

 

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

 

RUSH: You have to love, folks, the irony. Here is Rahm Emanuel saying that Chick-Fil-A doesn't represent the values of Chicago. What are the values of Chicago? Chicago leads the country in political corruption. I don't know if the murder rate in any other city is what it is in Chicago these days. What was the number I had, 234 people dead in Chicago this year, so far, year to date, when talking about what happened in Aurora, Colorado. But maybe Mayor Emanuel is right. After all, Calypso Louie Farrakhan and Reverend Wright are there. Reverend Jackson, Bill Ayers, Rod Blagojevich, Tony Rezko -- yeah, yeah, yeah. That's Chicago values. That's Chicago values. Chick-Fil-A, no, we can't have that, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Now, maybe if the CEO of Chick-Fil-A were a gangster, maybe we'd have a little bit more respect.

 

END TRANSCRIPT

 

 

 

[Soxbadger]

Who is exactly against Christianity?

 

Im pretty sure that Jesus said something like One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself.

 

If Cathy thinks he is deserving of marriage, then everyone is, at least according to the Christian God.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Soxbadger

[greg775]

Who is exactly against Christianity?

 

Im pretty sure that Jesus said something like One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself.

 

If Cathy thinks he is deserving of marriage, then everyone is, at least according to the Christian God.

 

But this is the man's OPINION.

Kudos to mayor bloomberg in New York. He GETS IT.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/07/27...-new-york-city/

 

So what if the owner of Chik Fil A thinks the Biblical version of marriage is the right one. He has the right to run a business. Kudos to the NYC Mayor!!! Our mayor should be ashamed of himself. He should be fired actually over this.

Edited August 2, 2012 by greg775

[Jake]

Didn't read Rush's bulls***, but we should quit saying that being a "Christian" and opposing gay marriage or homosexuality in general is wrong.

 

There are Christians that realize that the Bible was written and assembled by a bunch of assholes that not only had their own agendas and fantasies (here's looking at you, John the Revelator) but also a bunch of assholes that had no grasp of the concept of alternate sexuality. Literally zero. I have heard accounts from people living as recently as the 1950s that WERE GAY but had no idea that those feelings were a known phenomenon or shared by others. Homosexuality being known as a clear cut preference is very new and real sexual attraction and "love" between the same sex wasn't going on around Jesus and his immediate successors. They couldn't address what they didn't know.

 

Marriage as only being between man and woman makes sense since that was the only thing that made sense at the time. It is easy for a Christian to say that the "true" intent was that marriage was an institution of love.

 

Or you can be like me and laugh at the history behind this major world religion and the assembly of its practices and beliefs.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Jake

[Soxbadger]

But this is the man's OPINION.

Kudos to mayor bloomberg in New York. He GETS IT.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/07/27...-new-york-city/

 

What mayor has promoted a govt ban on Chik Fil-A?

 

Not really getting the comparison.

 

Emmanuel said that they werent Chicago values, that does not equate to ban. Emmanuel also gets to have his opinion.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Soxbadger

[greg775]

What mayor has promoted a govt boycott on Chik Fil-A?

 

Not really getting the comparison.

 

Chicago mayor or some govtment official is blocking the opening of a Chik Fil A in the Windy City and said that type of business is not welcome. NYC won't go there. Their mayor correctly said a man's opinion has nothing to do with his right to open a business. Right?

[greg775]

Didn't read Rush's bulls***, but we should quit saying that being a "Christian" and opposing gay marriage or homosexuality in general is wrong.

 

There are Christians that realize that the Bible was written and assembled by a bunch of assholes that not only had their own agendas and fantasies (here's looking at you, John the Revelator) but also a bunch of assholes that had no grasp of the concept of alternate sexuality. Literally zero. I have heard accounts from people living as recently as the 1950s that WERE GAY but had no idea that those feelings were a known phenomenon or shared by others. Homosexuality being known as a clear cut preference is very new and real sexual attraction and "love" between the same sex wasn't going on around Jesus and his immediate successors. They couldn't address what they didn't know.

 

Marriage as only being between man and woman makes sense since that was the only thing that made sense at the time. It is easy for a Christian to say that the "true" intent was that marriage was an institution of love.

 

Or you can be like me and laugh at the history behind this major world religion and the assembly of its practices and beliefs.

 

So you won't read Rush's piece and comment on it? I am a Christian and am sick of Christianity being attacked. You know what? Our country is going to hell.

This Chik Fil A guy is not against gays; he's not banning gays from working for him or keeping them out of the restaurant. He believes in the biblical definition of marriage. Big f***ing deal. Leave him alone.

I am for equal rights for all people. If men want to marry men and women women they should be allowed to. But I confess I also believe in the biblical marriage between a man and woman because that is how we all have come to be. Last time I looked it takes a man and woman getting together to perpetuate our lifeform.

If somebody wants to speak publicly about that ... what is the big deal? Again, he is not against gays.

Edited August 2, 2012 by greg775

[Soxbadger]

Chicago mayor or some govtment official is blocking the opening of a Chik Fil A in the Windy City and said that type of business is not welcome. NYC won't go there. Their mayor correctly said a man's opinion has nothing to do with his right to open a business. Right?

 

I do not believe CFA has submitted an application to the Chicago Zoning Board so its pretty impossible to say what Chicago would do.

 

In fact, they havent even submitted an application to the Alderman, here is the Alderman's actual quote:

 

“If you are discriminating against a segment of the community, I don’t want you in the 1st Ward,”

 

Sounds like if CFA can prove they arent discriminating they wont have any issues.

 

Or do you think a business should be allowed to discriminate?

[greg775]

Here's one other thing wrong with society. What Jake wrote about the Bible is offensive to me. And you know what? Nobody cares. Why??? Because it is OK, it is popular to attack believers. It is acceptable to attack those who believe in God and that sucks.

[greg775]

I do not believe CFA has submitted an application to the Chicago Zoning Board so its pretty impossible to say what Chicago would do.

 

In fact, they havent even submitted an application to the Alderman, here is the Alderman's actual quote:

 

 

 

Sounds like if CFA can prove they arent discriminating they wont have any issues.

 

Or do you think a business should be allowed to discriminate?

 

Of course not. If CFA refuses to serve gays or will not hire gays then they should be run out of town. But that's not the case apparently. Rush is upset at these government officials for saying a business is not welcome and all they had to go on is the CFA owner's stance on biblical marriage. WTF is wrong with biblical marriage anyway? It's how you and I got here.

Edited August 2, 2012 by greg775

[Soxbadger]

Here's one other thing wrong with society. What Jake wrote about the Bible is offensive to me. And you know what? Nobody cares. Why??? Because it is OK, it is popular to attack believers. It is acceptable to attack those who believe in God and that sucks.

 

You can attack him in the same fashion, thats called freedom of speech. Are you really trying to sell that Christians are being oppressed?

[Soxbadger]

Of course not. If CFA refuses to serve gays or will not hire gays then they should be run out of town. But that's not the case apparently. Rush is upset at these government officials for saying a business is not welcome and all they had to go on is the CFA owner's stance on biblical marriage. WTF is wrong with biblical marriage anyway? It's how you and I got here.

 

Okay first of all, I showed you the actual quote, Rush makes a living by distorting the truth. It doesnt matter what Rush thinks happened, it matters what actually happened.

 

And what is wrong with biblical marriage?

 

Nothing, who here is saying that 2 straight people cant get married?

[greg775]

You can attack him in the same fashion, thats called freedom of speech. Are you really trying to sell that Christians are being oppressed?

 

Not oppressed, but nobody cares if Maher or anybody blasts us Christians. It has come to be expected that we get blasted. No outrage. No nothing. Jokes about abusive priests ... ha ha. No problem. But if somebody gets up on a stage and blasts gays or other segments of society, there is hell to pay. I don't want gays to be mocked or blasted but if somebody decides to attack believers ... big deal.

 

I'm not getting on Jake. Let's just use what he said here as a PERFECT example, however. He blasted the Bible and those who wrote the Bible. Would anybody reading that even bat an eyelash and think anything is wrong? That it might offend greg or other Christians? Of course not. The criticism of believers is expected and commonplace.

Edited August 2, 2012 by greg775

[greg775]

Where have I said that CFA isnt well within their rights to say what they want?

 

Im merely well within my rights not to buy their merchandise.

 

To use an easy example:

 

McDonalds could say they are for slavery and give money to pro-slavery groups. They are well within their rights to do that, no one can stop them from saying or believing whatever they want. But I dont have to keep going to McDonalds, I can correctly point out that McDonalds has an antiquated view that should be changed, and I can try and effectuate that change by hitting them where it hurts, public image and pocket.

 

To you what he said isnt bad, to someone else its terrible.

 

Its called opinion, we all unfortunately get one.

 

I forgot to say I liked this post.

[southsideirish71]

Didn't read Rush's bulls***, but we should quit saying that being a "Christian" and opposing gay marriage or homosexuality in general is wrong.

 

There are Christians that realize that the Bible was written and assembled by a bunch of assholes that not only had their own agendas and fantasies (here's looking at you, John the Revelator) but also a bunch of assholes that had no grasp of the concept of alternate sexuality. Literally zero. I have heard accounts from people living as recently as the 1950s that WERE GAY but had no idea that those feelings were a known phenomenon or shared by others. Homosexuality being known as a clear cut preference is very new and real sexual attraction and "love" between the same sex wasn't going on around Jesus and his immediate successors. They couldn't address what they didn't know.

 

Marriage as only being between man and woman makes sense since that was the only thing that made sense at the time. It is easy for a Christian to say that the "true" intent was that marriage was an institution of love.

 

Or you can be like me and laugh at the history behind this major world religion and the assembly of its practices and beliefs.

 

Oh look another enlightened atheist here to save the poor Christians from their book written by assholes. I am glad that you are enlightened. Your outrage on intolerance is rich.

[Soxbadger]

Life isnt fair. For thousands of years if you even were remotely anti-Christian the punishment may have been death. It doesnt matter what other people do, no one is going to fight your battles for you.

 

Do I really think Rush Limbaugh would support me opening an abortion clinic across the street from a Church?

 

No, so Im not going to worry about him, I have to fight my own battles.

 

So if you think hes attacking Christianity, go for it, show the world why he is a fool. That is the punishment for idiocy. But you cant expect other people to get involved.

 

 

[BigSqwert]

At the end of the day, a lot of people, probably millions, think that the CEO of Chick-Fil-A is being discriminatory by sending millions of dollars to organizations that are trying to maintain gays as 2nd class citizens. These millions of people would rather not spend their money at a business where the owner is going out of his way to make sure that a large swath of our population is denied basic rights. Apparently this is hard to understand for some of you in here.

[Jake]

My intent was mainly to disassociate Christians with that position on homosexuality. Not all see it the way we assume, just most.

 

I don't mean to make this a religious argument, but only religious topics are offended by fact-based arguments. My assessments of the writers of the bible are very subjective, but I hope the point that (by Earthly perception, which is what every other topic is bound by) humans wrote the Bible shines through as a worldly fact. These same humans, whether reading or writing the Bible, would not have understood a discussion of homosexuality since it didn't exist to their knowledge. My opinion is that the Bible makes no statements about homosexuality and thus the practice of marriage is not addressed to that end.

 

So -- nothing else is under attack because there are no faith-based arguments in non-religious topics to muddy the waters when worldly facts are presented (other than politics sometimes )

 

My feeling is that too many hide behind their religion to support their fear of alternate sexuality. Greg or other religious folks in this thread may very well not be in this camp, but I cannot help but think that this common reading of religious text is perpetuated by those less noble than our good Soxtalk posters.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Jake

[Jake]

Also, I plan to give much of my money to Chick Fil A in exchange for amazing chicken

[Chisoxfn]

At the end of the day, a lot of people, probably millions, think that the CEO of Chick-Fil-A is being discriminatory by sending millions of dollars to organizations that are trying to maintain gays as 2nd class citizens. These millions of people would rather not spend their money at a business where the owner is going out of his way to make sure that a large swath of our population is denied basic rights. Apparently this is hard to understand for some of you in here.

I fully understand it and have no issues with those that have this stance. And I wish more people would take a stand when they disagree with something. I might have my own belief in this matter, which I'm entitled to (and it is more of an indifference, primarily because I focus more on the local store owner vs. the ceo). If I had an ultimate choice, I'd find a way to ensure none of my money went to the CEO and all of it went to the franchise owners.

 

I also wish people would quit watching Jersey Shore and 16 and pregnant so stupid people can quit getting lots of money and fame.

 

Note: I voted for prop 8 (or whichever the vote was in support) and I will continue to vote for and support gay rights. If two people are the equivalent of "married", they should get the exact same rights as a husband and wife. Exact same.