Chick-Fil-A and Homosexuality

[StrangeSox]

I meant the physical marital act. Christ. The point of humans coming together as a social species, as opposed to roaming as loners, was to procreate. We've always been monogamous and "marriage" was a simple extension of that.

nope, not even close

[Quin]

No you guys are wrong IMO. Here's it the defiinition of a priest nowadays to liberal America: A pedophile. Cut and dried. Case closed. That is a priest to the world and that is very sad. Because yes there were a zillion pedophiles in the priesthood. Why? Because that's an occupation in which pedophiles can get to kids. Just like there are pedophiles in all occupations where sickos can get to kids.

Add to that the fact the bishops committed CRIMINAL acts in protecting these scumbag pedophiles and you get today's definition of the priesthood and Catholic faith.

Priest equals pedophile.

Bishops equal lawbreakers.

Bye bye Catholic faith DESPITE THE FACT THERE ARE TONS OF GREAT PRIESTS, one who was the biggest POSITIVE influence in my life (negative to those of you who hate my love of Ozzeroo).

How am I wrong about my generation?

 

My definition of a priest is that it's outdated and far less are needed to preach.

 

 

I honestly don't understand this "poor Christians" mentality. As a non-practicing Catholic, I can say that the Catholic Church (note I mean the Vatican itself) should absolutely be criticized for their handling of pedophile priests. Not all priests are pedophiles, but there were men in the Church who certainly turned a blind eye to the ones that were.

 

It must be tough to be the majority religion. Christianity is mocked. Islam is mocked. Mormons are mocked. Every religion is mocked. Christians in government don't sit back and take it either. They amend state constituitions to make sure those icky gays cannot ever get married. They pass laws to make sure that evolution isn't taught in schools and that creationism is given equal time (without, of course, giving equal time to the creation beliefs of other religions).

 

I don't understand what fight, exactly, it is that the Liberal boogeyman has won.

 

+1

 

[greg775]

I honestly don't understand this "poor Christians" mentality. As a non-practicing Catholic, I can say that the Catholic Church (note I mean the Vatican itself) should absolutely be criticized for their handling of pedophile priests. Not all priests are pedophiles, but there were men in the Church who certainly turned a blind eye to the ones that were.

 

It must be tough to be the majority religion. Christianity is mocked. Islam is mocked. Mormons are mocked. Every religion is mocked. Christians in government don't sit back and take it either. They amend state constituitions to make sure those icky gays cannot ever get married. They pass laws to make sure that evolution isn't taught in schools and that creationism is given equal time (without, of course, giving equal time to the creation beliefs of other religions).

 

I don't understand what fight, exactly, it is that the Liberal boogeyman has won.

 

I would like Jenks to answer that for me. He cuts to the chase better.

[Balta1701]

No you guys are wrong IMO. Here's it the defiinition of a priest nowadays to liberal America: A pedophile. Cut and dried. Case closed. That is a priest to the world and that is very sad. Because yes there were a zillion pedophiles in the priesthood. Why? Because that's an occupation in which pedophiles can get to kids. Just like there are pedophiles in all occupations where sickos can get to kids.

Add to that the fact the bishops committed CRIMINAL acts in protecting these scumbag pedophiles and you get today's definition of the priesthood and Catholic faith.

Priest equals pedophile.

Bishops equal lawbreakers.

Bye bye Catholic faith DESPITE THE FACT THERE ARE TONS OF GREAT PRIESTS, one who was the biggest POSITIVE influence in my life (negative to those of you who hate my love of Ozzeroo).

So, you're saying that there is a lack of priests because the catholic church covered up an enormous pedophile scandal?

 

I believe Job 4:8 says: "As I have observed, those who plow evil and those who sow trouble reap it".

[CrimsonWeltall]

No you guys are wrong IMO. Here's it the defiinition of a priest nowadays to liberal America: A pedophile.

 

The Catholic Church's image problems aren't limited to liberals.

 

Also, I don't think that association exists AT ALL for non-Catholic priests

[Soxbadger]

I think what hurts priests is that many cant get married or have sex.

 

Its not olden times where primogeniture reigned. Back then if you were 2nd/3rd son, priest was one of your only options because you werent getting an inheritance from your family.

 

 

[Quin]

I think what hurts priests is that many cant get married or have sex.

 

Its not olden times where primogeniture reigned. Back then if you were 2nd/3rd son, priest was one of your only options because you werent getting an inheritance from your family.

 

And if a priest has a sex, he'll become Vader.

[Rex Kickass]

Our priest (yes priest, my religion has run out of priests because of all the jokes and PC that no longer allows "normal" kids to consider pursuing such a calling) has welcomed all gays into the church even tho the higher ups would probably excommunicate him for that.

 

There's all sorts of ridiculous stuff in this thread, but this line... really? REALLY?

 

You honestly think that the downturn in men choosing to follow the calling of their Catholic faith has to do with being teased about being a child molester? Seriously?

 

It might have something to do with the perception that the Church decided to protect the "men of faith" who violated the most basic trust of children in their care instead of the children who were violated and damaged. It might have something to do with the perception that the Church cares more about protecting its own than the pursuit of doing good works in the name of God for the people they are supposedly chosen to serve.

 

I grew up Catholic. I considered following a calling. But upon greater reflection, I felt that the Catholic Church no longer reflected the faith it claims to protect, but was concerned mostly about protecting its own wealth and its own. That's the perception that made me leave the Catholic Church. It certainly had nothing to do with jokes about the priesthood. Those have been around for centuries, my friend.

[Jenksismyhero]

nope, not even close

 

Yep, i'll admit i'm wrong there after looking it up.

[StrangeSox]

 

And if there is any doubt why such an opinion might be met with hostility, it has to do with privilege. You can write it off as “political correctness” if you wish, but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They’re so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don’t see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what’s everyone’s fuss all about? That’s the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want.

[StrangeSox]

Yep, i'll admit i'm wrong there after looking it up.

 

That's what so annoying about the "traditional marriage" or "marriage as defined for thousands of years" crap. It is complete fiction. The definition of marriage has varied frequently throughout time and among different cultures. Our own understanding of marriage in the US has changed drastically in the last 100 years or so.

[southsider2k5]

 

Wait. "but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority."?

 

Have they paid attention to 20-21st century history? Many of the most impressive slaughters recently have been by minority groups who were threatened when the majority rose up.

[bmags]

Was everyone alright with us re-defining marriage as a consenting act where both parties must be at least 16 or older (in most states)?

[StrangeSox]

Cultural privilege lies with the majority. That's a generally true statement, especially in Western societies.

[Jenksismyhero]

I honestly don't understand this "poor Christians" mentality. As a non-practicing Catholic, I can say that the Catholic Church (note I mean the Vatican itself) should absolutely be criticized for their handling of pedophile priests. Not all priests are pedophiles, but there were men in the Church who certainly turned a blind eye to the ones that were.

 

It must be tough to be the majority religion. Christianity is mocked. Islam is mocked. Mormons are mocked. Every religion is mocked. Christians in government don't sit back and take it either. They amend state constituitions to make sure those icky gays cannot ever get married. They pass laws to make sure that evolution isn't taught in schools and that creationism is given equal time (without, of course, giving equal time to the creation beliefs of other religions).

 

I don't understand what fight, exactly, it is that the Liberal boogeyman has won.

 

Christian belief isn't covered as if it's one side of an argument, it's covered as a problem that needs solving. And it's not just "oh, that's interesting you believe that" it's "OMG, you're a f***ing dumb ass for thinking that way." Creationism? You don't believe in science, you're an idiot. Abortion? That's not a murder issue, that's an equal rights issue. Same with homosexuality. Oh, you don't like boobs on national TV, you're just old fashioned grandpa! Get with the times! Oh gawd, we have a President or Governor that believes that prayer will provide guidance? We're all f***ed!

 

And on and on.

 

Again, i'm not really religious, but I can see this plain as day. Religion, and especially Christianity, is still a huge part of society. No questioning that. But the coverage is almost ALWAYS negative. Some of it (priest scandals) for good reason. Most not.

[southsider2k5]

Cultural privilege lies with the majority. That's a generally true statement, especially in Western societies.

 

generally is very different than "always". Someone needs to get out more.

[CrimsonWeltall]

That's what so annoying about the "traditional marriage" or "marriage as defined for thousands of years" crap. It is complete fiction. The definition of marriage has varied frequently throughout time and among different cultures. Our own understanding of marriage in the US has changed drastically in the last 100 years or so.

 

It doesn't even hold up in a Biblical sense. Most of god's major bros in the OT (Moses, Abraham, David, etc) had numerous wives.

[bmags]

generally is very different than "always". Someone needs to get out more.

 

In those cases, the minority is imposing it's will on the majority. Whereas in this case, the majority is imposing it's will on the minority. It's the christian coalition who have so vehemently pushed for absurd laws to keep gays a second-class citizen. What will they lose when this is done? They'll lose respect, but they'll have lost zero rights. They'll still be able to marry. Not quite syria.

[Soxbadger]

Wait. "but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority."?

 

Have they paid attention to 20-21st century history? Many of the most impressive slaughters recently have been by minority groups who were threatened when the majority rose up.

 

Im not sure this is really accurate. Most top 5 lists in that century have Stalin, Hitler and Leopold II. And the first 2 are responsible for almost 10x as many deaths as anyone else.

[southsider2k5]

In those cases, the minority is imposing it's will on the majority. Whereas in this case, the majority is imposing it's will on the minority. It's the christian coalition who have so vehemently pushed for absurd laws to keep gays a second-class citizen. What will they lose when this is done? They'll lose respect, but they'll have lost zero rights. They'll still be able to marry. Not quite syria.

 

I get the argument here, it is just a flat out wrong assumption being made by the author. Look no further than the US. There are more women than men in the US. Would anyone argue that they have privilege in this country?

 

That is just an awful basis for an argument.

[Balta1701]

Again, i'm not really religious, but I can see this plain as day. Religion, and especially Christianity, is still a huge part of society. No questioning that. But the coverage is almost ALWAYS negative. Some of it (priest scandals) for good reason. Most not.

I've said this one before, but I'll re-note...this is totally not the case in Tennessee.

[CrimsonWeltall]

Christian belief isn't covered as if it's one side of an argument, it's covered as a problem that needs solving. And it's not just "oh, that's interesting you believe that" it's "OMG, you're a f***ing dumb ass for thinking that way." Creationism? You don't believe in science, you're an idiot. Abortion? That's not a murder issue, that's an equal rights issue. Same with homosexuality. Oh, you don't like boobs on national TV, you're just old fashioned grandpa! Get with the times! Oh gawd, we have a President or Governor that believes that prayer will provide guidance? We're all f***ed!

 

With some of your examples, Christian belief IS a problem that needs solving. It's not "interesting" that anyone is a Creationist. It's sad. It's not "interesting" that some people think gays should be treated poorly. It's sad.

[bmags]

I get the argument here, it is just a flat out wrong assumption being made by the author. Look no further than the US. There are more women than men in the US. Would anyone argue that they have privilege in this country?

 

That is just an awful basis for an argument.

 

I concede the point.

[greg775]

So, you're saying that there is a lack of priests because the catholic church covered up an enormous pedophile scandal?

 

I believe Job 4:8 says: "As I have observed, those who plow evil and those who sow trouble reap it".

No, I'm saying the coverage was so intense and the fact nobody ever said this is not a priest issue only but a societal issue (scum of the earth pedophiles are in ALL FIELDS in which they can get to kids) to the point RIGHT NOW you say the words "Catholic priest," you might as well say the word "pedophile." Sad. Today there is no doubt no kid can consider being a priest. It is a bad word to society.

 

There's all sorts of ridiculous stuff in this thread, but this line... really? REALLY?

 

You honestly think that the downturn in men choosing to follow the calling of their Catholic faith has to do with being teased about being a child molester? Seriously?

If you got that from my post, I presented it wrong. No, not being teased. It's parents not allowing their kids to ever even THINK about the possibility of being a priest because of the mockery of the position now. A priest is a strange pedophile now, case closed. There is something wrong with you if you want to be a priest is the common perception and that is HORRIBLE. My former priest is my life hero and mentor.

 

Christian belief isn't covered as if it's one side of an argument, it's covered as a problem that needs solving. And it's not just "oh, that's interesting you believe that" it's "OMG, you're a f***ing dumb ass for thinking that way." Creationism? You don't believe in science, you're an idiot. Abortion? That's not a murder issue, that's an equal rights issue. Same with homosexuality. Oh, you don't like boobs on national TV, you're just old fashioned grandpa! Get with the times! Oh gawd, we have a President or Governor that believes that prayer will provide guidance? We're all f***ed!

 

And on and on.

 

Again, i'm not really religious, but I can see this plain as day. Religion, and especially Christianity, is still a huge part of society. No questioning that. But the coverage is almost ALWAYS negative. Some of it (priest scandals) for good reason. Most not.

 

AMEN Jenks. The coverage as he said is almost ALWAYS negative. Jenks rocks.

Edited August 2, 2012 by greg775

[Jenksismyhero]

With some of your examples, Christian belief IS a problem that needs solving. It's not "interesting" that anyone is a Creationist. It's sad. It's not "interesting" that some people think gays should be treated poorly. It's sad.

 

Exhibit A.