Jake Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 This bandwagon is getting a lot less crowded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 03:27 PM) AKA...don't trade away Viciedo, Reed, Jones, etc. Give it 10 more days and see if we can right the ship first. If there are signs of life, then, maybe, you consider a move...but it's not worth mortgaging the entire future for a rental player we won't re-sign. Not for a one game playoff against the Rangers or Angels. You know I have a funny feeling that Kenny doesnt think this way at all. Nor should he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 03:27 PM) AKA...don't trade away Viciedo, Reed, Jones, etc. Why? Those guys can very easily be replaced. Jones? Are you kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 03:31 PM) This bandwagon is getting a lot less crowded Im on it all the way until the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 03:29 PM) It's reading the same book over and expect the ending to be different. I will still hold on to my theory that the organization lacks mental toughness. They are the Cubs of the AL. It is a reoccurring theme. Getting swept after the asb by our chief protagonist. http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/9/4/24053...reak-both-apply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Ha, Veal sent down for Floyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 02:31 PM) Why? Those guys can very easily be replaced. Jones? Are you kidding. So can Beckham and Viciedo, according to you. If it was so easy, why did it take KW half a decade to find a CF/leadoff hitter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 03:35 PM) Ha, Veal sent down for Floyd. Velocity trumps effectiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 03:30 PM) It would be viewed as White Flag II You know White Flag '97 was bulls***, right? The 97 Sox weren't going to win that division. And if the Sox are 52-48 a week from now, I'll have no confidence in this team to get to the postseason. Unfortunately, that second wild card will fool everyone into thinking they're in it. Obviously, Kenny isn't going to sell. I would want him to, but he won't. Right now, I'm very worried about what Peavy and Sale can do the rest of the season. They've been great, but we're seeing velocity go down for Sale, and location problems for Peavy. And the offense has been nothing short of terrible. Ventura doesn't make any adjustments. So we'll lose because that's what they deserve. Edited July 22, 2012 by flavum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 02:35 PM) Ha, Veal sent down for Floyd. We might as well have started Veal or Septimo against Liriano. So Floyd's 100% for sure starting the game tmrw now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 03:35 PM) So can Beckham and Viciedo, according to you. If it was so easy, why did it take KW half a decade to find a CF/leadoff hitter? None of those guys are cf/leadoff hitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 02:36 PM) You know White Flag '97 was bulls***, right? The 97 Sox weren't going to win that division. And if the Sox are 52-48 a week from now, I'll have no confidence in this team to get to the postseason. Unfortunately, that second wild card will fool everyone into think they're in it. Obviously, Kenny isn't going to sell. I would want him to, but he won't. Right now, I'm very worried about what Peavy and Sale can do the rest of the season. They've been great, but we're seeing velocity go down for Sale, and location problems for Peavy. And the offense has been nothing short of terrible. Ventura doesn't make any adjustments. So we'll lose because that's what they deserve. Sale will throw 94-97 MPH when he really needs it. He just got a slider in the wrong location against Jackson, but he was 10-0 coming off a Sox loss...he wasn't goign to be perfect the entire season. I think we're just so used to seeing Verlander dial it up into the high 90's late in a game that we've forgotten how rare that truly is. Not only Verlander, but Scherzer now, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapzk Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Too many qs just surround the team at the moment. The most important ones are concerning the two guys that anchor the rotation. What happens with Sale when those innings start piling up? Is it right to stretch him out that much (assuming we are in it till September)? Does Peavy have enough arm strength to hold up for 200+ Innings? Yea people say our offense sucks, which currently is true, I will give it one more week for them to snap out of it. But those two guys at the top of the rotation as good as they have been and the pedigree they bring to the mound, it is concerning when you talk about being in the thick of things till the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 02:33 PM) It is a reoccurring theme. Getting swept after the asb by our chief protagonist. http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/9/4/24053...reak-both-apply It always seems like their is a choke job in the previous series to set the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 03:36 PM) You know White Flag '97 was bulls***, right? The 97 Sox weren't going to win that division. And if the Sox are 52-48 a week from now, I'll have no confidence in this team to get to the postseason. Unfortunately, that second wild card will fool everyone into think they're in it. Obviously, Kenny isn't going to sell. I would want him to, but he won't. Right now, I'm very worried about what Peavy and Sale can do the rest of the season. They've been great, but we're seeing velocity go down for Sale, and location problems for Peavy. And the offense has been nothing short of terrible. Ventura doesn't make any adjustments. So we'll lose because that's what they deserve. I don't want KW as part of a rebuilding. If they don't make the postseason KW needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 08:43 PM) I don't want KW as part of a rebuilding. I completely agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 02:37 PM) None of those guys are cf/leadoff hitters. I was referring to DeAza. The point is everyone always says it's SO easy to find players for certain positions, say, LF or 2B. If it was, then KW already would have done it...yesterday. Even trading his own mother and kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapzk Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Too much of the trouble had been masked with Youkilis' arrivale and performance, as well as Quintana's unexpected dominance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 03:43 PM) I don't want KW as part of a rebuilding. If they don't make the postseason KW needs to go. That almost goes without saying. Long overdue. They should have cleaned house after last season. Edited July 22, 2012 by flavum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesdiego Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Soon enough the Tigers will come back down to earth, they just caught us at a bad time. A typical up and down season. Yes, imagine that......a baseball season full of ups and downs, Hmmm...I've never seen that before. The calls for blowing up the team already are insane and foolish. Let's just wait this thing out, it has been streaky all year. A good streak will come around, people need to relax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 You are all overreacting. It's a long season. Do you all remember Houston? You go through s*** like this over the course of 162 games. They're hot, we're not. We've been hot when they've been cold. It happens. Relax, it's July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (jamesdiego @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 02:47 PM) Soon enough the Tigers will come back down to earth, they just caught us at a bad time. A typical up and down season. Yes, imagine that......a baseball season full of ups and downs, Hmmm...I've never seen that before. The calls for blowing up the team already are insane and foolish. Let's just wait this thing out, it has been streaky all year. A good streak will come around, people need to relax We heard that last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 02:43 PM) I don't want KW as part of a rebuilding. If they don't make the postseason KW needs to go. He will get at least next season, whether you like it or not. This season, up until this point, still has to be considered evidence of progress. The biggest deal, Molina for Santos, actually saved the White Sox $7.25 million in guaranteed salary...so you can bet that JR's not going to fire Williams for saving him from that catastrophe. Even the Danks and Peavy contracts were covered by insurance, so they're only losing 55-65 cents on the dollar. Rios, Dunn and Peavy all performed up to their abilities this year. That makes KW look a lot better...if the bullpen wasn't leading the AL in blown saves, we would still be in first place and things would look much more positive. That was the area he chose to go with youth (letting Frasor go, for example), and it has come back to bite him. But many were predicting 85-100 losses, and that clearly hasn't happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 03:44 PM) I completely agree with this. He doesn't know how to rebuild. His idea of rebuilding is trading vets packaged with a contract albatross to gain fiscal relief. He doesn't look for baseball players he looks for flawed athletes he can either fix or hope that their natural physical prowess can overcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 QUOTE (Butter Parque @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 02:47 PM) You are all overreacting. It's a long season. Do you all remember Houston? You go through s*** like this over the course of 162 games. They're hot, we're not. We've been hot when they've been cold. It happens. Relax, it's July. Unfortunately history is no on your side. The Sox are not Houston. 3 managers in the new century and a majority of the story stays the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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