fathom Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 06:41 PM) I'm not advocating trading him, but De Aza will probably only be a bargain for two more years. Which is pretty damn good and important when you consider the big contracts the Sox have on the books the next two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 12:38 PM) Brewers probably want nothing to do with Floyd. They'd be more interested in possible prosects the Sox could get for Floyd, and even then, I don't think Floyd gets you top 75 prospects. If you look at some of the names the Brewers are asking for (Manny Machado, Teherean, etc.), a lot of these trade packages suggested for Greinke on this site make no sense. Well they are interested in something KW is throwing at them. With all reports out there saying we are heavily involved. If we had nothing they wanted the continued pursuit would have stopped and We would have moved on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 05:49 PM) Well they are interested in something KW is throwing at them. With all reports out there saying we are heavily involved. If we had nothing they wanted the continued pursuit would have stopped and We would have moved on. Well yeah if KW is massively overpaying with major league talent when most of the other teams have more resources in the minors to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 12:29 PM) The downgrade from ADA to JorDanks is much greater than replacing someone like Floyd with Greinke. Boston is supposedly shopping Cody Ross so that would be a potential get. I've wanted Cody here for ages. Then there's Upton out there, but how realistic would that be? Rios would have to slide back to CF, which I think he could do without issue as he's "there" mentally this year (when he's not it doesn't matter where you play him IMO). I agree with what you are saying though. We would need to back such a move up with another one for an OF in order to make a net upgrade, and then considering the cost of both moves, you'd have to wonder if there would be any point. DeAza is a really nice player. He's just a solid-if-unspectacular type, which is great to have because you can extend those players to team-friendly long-term contracts. But on the other end of it, he is a very valuable piece without a star ceiling, and if you can move him and get a star back, it's hard not to make that move. I wouldn't do it though without assurances that the player we'd get back would stick around beyond the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 12:38 PM) Brewers probably want nothing to do with Floyd. They'd be more interested in possible prosects the Sox could get for Floyd, and even then, I don't think Floyd gets you top 75 prospects. If you look at some of the names the Brewers are asking for (Manny Machado, Teherean, etc.), a lot of these trade packages suggested for Greinke on this site make no sense. No team is giving up that kind of prospect and the Brewers know it. I think they're trying to set themselves up to get 3 or 4 very nice, high ceiling prospects instead of 1 or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 12:38 PM) Brewers probably want nothing to do with Floyd. They'd be more interested in possible prosects the Sox could get for Floyd, and even then, I don't think Floyd gets you top 75 prospects. If you look at some of the names the Brewers are asking for (Manny Machado, Teherean, etc.), a lot of these trade packages suggested for Greinke on this site make no sense. The Brewers are not in a youth movement if they are going after Hamilton in the offseason a trade for Floyd fills a need young pitching is not guaranteed to do. Floyd is exactly what the Brewers need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 05:55 PM) The Brewers are not in a youth movement if they are going after Hamilton in the offseason a trade for Floyd fills a need young pitching is not guaranteed to do. Floyd is exactly what the Brewers need. Brewers are absolutely in a youth movement if they're trying to trade Greinke, Aramis and Hart, as well as losing Marcum in the offseason. Who do they have left after Braun, Weeks (ugh) and Gallardo? The last two years was their window, and they just couldn't didn't have enough to beat the Cards last year and could never get on track this year. Edited July 26, 2012 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 12:59 PM) Brewers are absolutely in a youth movement if they're trying to trade Greinke, Aramis and Hart, as well as losing Marcum in the offseason. Who do they have left after Braun, Weeks (ugh) and Gallardo? The last two years was their window, and they just couldn't didn't have enough to beat the Cards last year and could never get on track this year. The Brewers are definitely not rebuilding. They are making changes that help them win now, Melvin said it. The NL central is horrible, and they know if they win they pack the stadium. And winning isn't exactly difficult in the Central. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 07:01 PM) The Brewers are definitely not rebuilding. They are making changes that help them win now, Melvin said it. The NL central is horrible, and they know if they win they pack the stadium. And winning isn't exactly difficult in the Central. Sorry, should have clarified...when I said youth movement, I didn't mean single A prospects with a chance to help in 2015. More like young, cost-controlled players that can help out starting next year or 2014. That team has no pitching at all outside of Gallardo and Fiers and one of the worst bullpens in a long time. They would be fools to spend their money on Hamilton when they need to make upgrades to their pitching. As for the NL Central, the Reds should be pretty damn good the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 12:54 PM) No team is giving up that kind of prospect and the Brewers know it. I think they're trying to set themselves up to get 3 or 4 very nice, high ceiling prospects instead of 1 or 2. I agree. These teams have had talks about players before. And when Kenny was after Prince. The centerpiece was said to be Floyd and Beckham. KW balked at giving that up at the time for a half year of Prince but with the way Beckham and Floyd have progressed I think they are more inclined to pull the trigger now. Obviously we would be getting something else in return too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 So Mr. Floyd, it seems you're going to be the next hot topic round these here parts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 12:30 AM) So Mr. Floyd, it seems you're going to be the next hot topic round these here parts... I disagree. I don't think Floyd goes anywhere. Best thing to do now is upgrade the bench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 11:30 PM) So Mr. Floyd, it seems you're going to be the next hot topic round these here parts... What else is new? I feel like Floyd's been perpetually in a trade rumor since we signed him to that team friendly extension. It makes very little sense to trade Floyd with all the uncertainty of what Sale is going to provide down the stretch, the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde of Humber and Liriano, and if Peavy can stay healthy. The only way I see us moving a starter is if we are 100 percent sure Danks is coming back this season and I think nobody is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 07:40 AM) I disagree. I don't think Floyd goes anywhere. Best thing to do now is upgrade the bench Just 24 hours before we traded for Liriano, Rockies gave away Marco Scutaro for nothing. He is a very serviceable SS/2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Regarding Floyd... How often does a team in a pennant race trade away an experienced starting pitcher? (add in that he has the second most starts... and wins... on the pitching staff) Not sure I can think of any examples of it happening. There will be opportunity to move him in the offseason. He's not going anywhere until then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I guess I don't understand why Floyd would be moved in a pennant race if the concern is the durability of Sale, Peavy and Quintana. Floyd and Liriano will be rounding out the rotation, and they can even use Humber as a guy to throw into the rotation during the month of August to give everyone an extra day of rest. With most of the rotation in flux after the season, they maybe they think over the options they have, but I think keeping Floyd is important for the stretch run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 As for Floyd being traded, you always listen. ou never know when someone becomes desperate and overpays for him. You don't go out and actively shop him, but you always listen. That's what KW is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I think the Floyd stuff was when KW was trying to get Greinke. I think the plan was to upgrade Floyd with Greinke, and they still could have added Liriano. Now that Greinke is off the market, unless he can upgrade with Felix, I don't see where Floyd goes anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 gavin floyd's name has come up in other #chisox talks. at the moment, they are the most interesting team. 3:46pm - 29 Jul 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 03:51 PM) gavin floyd's name has come up in other #chisox talks. at the moment, they are the most interesting team. 3:46pm - 29 Jul 12 Who sent this tweet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 04:02 PM) Who sent this tweet? Jon Heyman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 if we deal gavin, it better be for something/someone big. We dont need to trim payroll, we are set at most positions. I don't really see a need to trade Gavin unless it's for something that will wow us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 04:43 PM) if we deal gavin, it better be for something/someone big. We dont need to trim payroll, we are set at most positions. I don't really see a need to trade Gavin unless it's for something that will wow us It would have to be part of a 3 team trade, right? Send Floyd to a team needing a veteran starter, and then that team moves a prospect or two to a team who sends the Sox a player. I'm still not sure how much truth there is to Floyd being dealt after the Greinke deal was made with the Angels. I think the White Sox need as many starting pitching options as they can with the durability concerns of Sale, Peavy and Quintana, and, I don't think they have any glaring holes right now outside of maybe additional depth (bench off the bat, backup infielder) that wouldn't require Floyd being moved. If the White Sox decide to move Floyd, which, again, I'm doubting, it would have to be another starting pitcher in return for Floyd and prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 So is the idea we'd trade Floyd for a starting pitcher that becomes a free agent this offseason? Perhaps to a team that has trouble getting free agents to come to them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Don't see how we can trade Floyd right now. I think that he will be okay down the stretch. He did have some days off which probably should help him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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