Chisoxfn Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I really hope the Sox aren't about to acquire one of these guys. I think the cost is way too severe. I like the currently assembled team and I'll take my chances on getting Danks back in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 10:51 PM) Holy s***! 98 OPS+! HOW DOES HE MANAGE THAT?!?!?!?! LOL, I guess the term "lately" must have escaped you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 09:53 PM) Rock, you hearing anything? Your pretty dang solid and have had some great sources in the past. A little, but I dont share them on the board anymore outside of PM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:05 AM) A little, but I dont share them on the board anymore outside of PM's. Why? You seemed to always be right on. That's unfortunate but definitely understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 11:10 AM) Why? You seemed to always be right on. That's unfortunate but definitely understand. Probably because the last couple times he did he got jumped all over by some people who thought he was just making stuff up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:04 AM) I really hope the Sox aren't about to acquire one of these guys. I think the cost is way too severe. I like the currently assembled team and I'll take my chances on getting Danks back in August. It doesn't sound like there's high confidence in having Danks back soon. Of course, that's just based on what we all hear. I think the Sox need to make a move, but I agree that Grienke might be too expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:23 AM) Probably because the last couple times he did he got jumped all over by some people who thought he was just making stuff up Ah, well then I definitely get it. I wouldn't want to share insider info either if I were to be jumped on if what I heard didn't pan out. A lot happens, a source can only have so much detail about conversations. Look at how many times the likes of Buster Onley, Ken Rosenthal, Jon Heyman, Jon Morosi's info and sources don't pan out. Heck it just happened with Dempster. It happens in reporting. Edited July 27, 2012 by Frank_Thomas35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:04 AM) I really hope the Sox aren't about to acquire one of these guys. I think the cost is way too severe. I like the currently assembled team and I'll take my chances on getting Danks back in August. IMO, they need to replace Humber. If they can get one of the big names without getting rid of Reed, Quintana or Viciedo, I'd be all over that, but if not, get a lesser guy who can take Humber's spot. He's an automatic loss at this point unless the team scores 10 runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 If the Sox traded huge pieces of their future for someone like Greinke for only and year and a half of his services, and then traded him away for an underachieving starting pitcher with one year left on his deal and an underachieving second baseman who's a possible non-tender candidate, I don't think anyone on here would be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:37 AM) If the Sox traded huge pieces of their future for someone like Greinke for only and year and a half of his services, and then traded him away for an underachieving starting pitcher with one year left on his deal and an underachieving second baseman who's a possible non-tender candidate, I don't think anyone on here would be happy. Nope. The only way it makes sense is the say way the Teahen deal did to JR/KW. You dump Weeks' contract too, then it becomes a lot more interesting. And you have a potentially very solid and quite a bit cheaper player in Gordon Beckham. And then you throw in Mitchell/Thompson/Walker for a future OF replacement. As certainly nobody was happy with Frasor (Jaye/Webb eventually) and Stewart for Edwin Jackson (Holmberg/Hudson). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:37 AM) If the Sox traded huge pieces of their future for someone like Greinke for only and year and a half of his services, and then traded him away for an underachieving starting pitcher with one year left on his deal and an underachieving second baseman who's a possible non-tender candidate, I don't think anyone on here would be happy. This was the trade back then the Brewers had with the Royals: The Royals receive speedy outfielder Lorenzo Cain, young shortstop Alcides Escobar and pitching prospects Jeremy Jeffress and Jake Odirizzi for Greinke and veteran shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt, who presumably will take Escobar's place in the Brewers' infield. Kansas City will also send $2 million in the deal to Milwaukee to cover part of the salary of Betancourt, who is to make $4 million this year and has a $2-million buyout in 2012. IMO not one of those guys they received in return are perennial All-Stars and aren't players you can build a team around. If the Sox trade them Floyd and Beckham the Brewers have a replacement for Escobar in Beckham and a cost controlled SP who could be dominate in the NL. Let's not kid ourselves here, Floyd has nasty stuff. When he is on he is unhittable. It's not like the Brewers are getting some slouch. Gavins problem is in between his ears most of the time. And it turns out the Brewers have success with pitchers like that, see Zach Grienke. And if the Sox throw in Castro or Hernandez they have a young prospect with a high upside. Edited July 27, 2012 by Frank_Thomas35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Its Greinke or nobody. We are going all out for Greinke, the Brewers want Reed. According to Heyman, he was on WSCR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 04:48 PM) This was the trade back then the Brewers had with the Royals: The Royals receive speedy outfielder Lorenzo Cain, young shortstop Alcides Escobar and pitching prospects Jeremy Jeffress and Jake Odirizzi for Greinke and veteran shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt, who presumably will take Escobar's place in the Brewers' infield. Kansas City will also send $2 million in the deal to Milwaukee to cover part of the salary of Betancourt, who is to make $4 million this year and has a $2-million buyout in 2012. IMO not in of the guys they received in return are perennial All-Stars and aren't players you can build a team around. If the Sox trade them Floyd and Beckham the Brewers have a replacement for Betancourt in Beckham and a coat controlled SP who could be dominate in the NL. Let's not kid ourselves here, Floyd has nasty stuff. When he is on he is unhittable. It's not like the Brewers are getting some slouch. Gavins problem is in between his ears most of the time. And it turns out the Brewers have success with pitchers like that, see Zach Grienke. And if the Sox throw in Castro or Hernandez they have a young prospect with a high upside. Escobar sure looks like a future all-star, and Odirizzi is one of the best pitching prospects in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) How happy is anyone going to be if the Sox trade any of the mentioned for Greinke and his issues either cause him to be average or the Sox don't win and he walks? KW has been grilled on this board for giving away crappy minor leaguers for major leaguers. Now many people want him to give up his top young players for a guy who is very talented, but a head case, and for 10 starts. If he doesn't lead to Sox to where they want to go and he skates away, it would be a huge error. I'd love the Sox to add Greinke, but it seems there is very little chance he'd be retained and I don't think 10 starts is worth Reed and more. Edited July 27, 2012 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 04:52 PM) How happy is anyone going to be if the Sox trade any of the mentioned for Greinke and his issues either cause him to be average or the Sox don't win and he walks? KW has been grilled on this board for giving away crappy minor leaguers for major leaguers. Now many people want him to give up his top young players for a guy who is very talented, but a head case, and for 10 starts. If he doesn't lead to Sox to where they want to go and he skates away, it would be a huge error. And that's why a handful of posters on here hope the Braves go out and land Greinke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:37 AM) If the Sox traded huge pieces of their future for someone like Greinke for only and year and a half of his services, and then traded him away for an underachieving starting pitcher with one year left on his deal and an underachieving second baseman who's a possible non-tender candidate, I don't think anyone on here would be happy. This pretty much sums up my argument on why the Brewers would be ridiculed for getting Floyd and Beckham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:49 AM) Its Greinke or nobody. We are going all out for Greinke, the Brewers want Reed. According to Heyman, he was on WSCR Wow thanks for the info. I agree with the approach go for the most Impactful guy on the market or stand pat. Maybe that is why KW was proactive in getting Meyers before the market really shaped up for him. He could have known he may have to part with Reed for Zach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:49 AM) Its Greinke or nobody. We are going all out for Greinke, the Brewers want Reed. According to Heyman, he was on WSCR Makes sense, the Brewers have major bullpen issues right now. Reed can fill a HUGE void for them longterm. I like Reed but if it means bringing a top notch starter to this team- DO IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:53 AM) And that's why a handful of posters on here hope the Braves go out and land Greinke. If the Braves or Texas wants him as badly as KW has been reported to want him, they will get him. If not, KW will have paid a huge price, and dug the 2013-2018 White Sox a bigger hole. For the first time in a while or maybe ever, KW would actually be trading youngsters who have shown they can play at the major league level. Edited July 27, 2012 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) I guess I just disagree. IMO ZG is worth a gamble on a very good team, in a year where Baseball Is very much wide open for the first time in a while. And it's not like they guy is going to combust, he has proven to be an ace pitcher his whole career. Including a playoff run with the Brewers. He is a competitor and would relish the chance to help a first place team go to the playoffs and maybe win a championship. And by the way make himself a little money in the process. Money I think we would pay of we WIN. Edited July 27, 2012 by Frank_Thomas35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Heyman didn't seem to know who the Brewers wanted specifically from the Sox for Greinke. He mentioned names like Quintana, Reed and Santiago. He also mentioned the Brewers don't like our minor leaguers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:55 AM) Makes sense, the Brewers have major bullpen issues right now. Reed can fill a HUGE void for them longterm. I like Reed but if it means bringing a top notch starter to this team- DO IT! I disagree. 6 years of Reed closing for us is not worth 10 starts of Greinke who has publicly said he doesn't like our ballpark and didn't list the White Sox as a preferred team he'd like to end up with. Beyond that, by losing Reed we hurt our bullpen badly, so the advantage of acquiring Greinke is mitigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 100 hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I would give up Reed, but that's about the max. I don't value closers or relievers that highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 With Jones/Myers/Crain on the right side and the possibility of bringing back Omogrosso or moving Humber to the pen, the right side of the bullpen can sustain the loss of Reed. Brewers better eat some cash or include a prospect with ZG if they're getting Reed, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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