Frank_Thomas Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:39 PM) shields is the guy I have wanted us to target all along.. i hope Rock and Bucket are on to something.. pleaseee Def. sounds like they are inferring something. I would be pleased with James after looking up some of his stats Last year the guy was nasty. But unlike ZG, I don't think we have much the Rays would want. I think a deal with Tampa likely means the end of Tank on the southside. And I wouldn't give tank up for anyone than the King himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Hey, it was my idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:45 PM) I think a deal with Tampa likely means the end of Tank on the southside. And I wouldn't give tank up for anyone than the King himself. That is a delusional statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 01:46 PM) Hey, it was my idea. Kenny read my thread on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:48 PM) Kenny read my thread on it. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:46 PM) That is a delusional statement. LOL okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:49 PM) LOL okay. Saying the only player you'd trade "Tank" for is "The King" is the very definition of a delusional statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:39 PM) shields is the guy I have wanted us to target all along.. i hope Rock and Bucket are on to something.. pleaseee Seems that way. Here's hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:27 PM) Uh, Shields would certainly be cheaper than Greinke - and under control for 9 mill next year and 12 mill the year after. I hope Shields is the true target. See, I would classify that as being delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 What would it take to get Shields? Would Viciedo or Reed be involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:46 PM) That is a delusional statement. And you are vastly underrating Tank and overrating Shields. Shields may ultimately end up the better player but Tank has him by the balls in terms of raw talent. And he's a lot cheaper too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGoSox2k2 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:51 PM) What would it take to get Shields? Would Viciedo or Reed be involved? id be willing to move addison in a deal for shields.. not for ZG tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:50 PM) Saying the only player you'd trade "Tank" for is "The King" is the very definition of a delusional statement. Sorry my fault I thought the fact we would likely have to part with tank for shields was delusional. I may be delusional about that, but I wouldn't personally trade Tank for anyone other than Felix. That's my own opinion delusional or not, I really like tank and think he has a chance to be dominate for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsidepride15 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:06 PM) This Greinke s*** is all a KW smokescreen. He's going to land a player like Garza or Shields who will be under team control for 2-3 years - not some 10 start rental he has to bid for that has already stated he hates pitching in the Cell and has a history of being a nutcase. This seems to be the statement that makes the most sense IMO. With Kenny's ego and ZG's statement about not liking to pitch at The Cell....well, I think that's enough to turn KW off just enough. I also don't believe, nor do I think KW believes that it's "ZG or bust". He will get the guy who wants to pitch for the White Sox and hoist a piece of hardware in October, not the guy who is gonna sh#$ the bed because Chicago is a tough city and he doesn't like to pitch here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:54 PM) Sorry my fault I thought the fact we would likely have to part with tank for shields was delusional. I may be delusional about that, but I wouldn't personally trade Tank for anyone other than Felix. That's my own opinion delusional or not, I really like tank and think he has a chance to be dominate for a long time. And it would seem to me that the greatest hitter in White Sox franchise history would probably agree with you also, i.e. that he'd only trade Tank for a star who is controllable well beyond this season. Gushing praise from the Big Hurt > the opinions of Steve27u82348453r45twt at TardTalk.com. Even though I like Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Lol, TardTalk is our sister site I don't know if I'm giving up Tank for Shields. Tell them to take Floyd and like it ...blah maybe we should stand pat. The pitcher we acquire has to outperform DA/PH by a ton to make up for the lost run production in losing Tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Though the White Sox don't have a highly-regarded farm system, they have enough talent in the Major Leagues to acquire Greinke, Heyman reports. Gavin Floyd's name has come up in trade talks, but he doesn't appear to be related to the Greinke sweepstakes, Heyman reports. MLBTR Interesting, I just want some dag gum information already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 04:13 PM) Though the White Sox don't have a highly-regarded farm system, they have enough talent in the Major Leagues to acquire Greinke, Heyman reports. Gavin Floyd's name has come up in trade talks, but he doesn't appear to be related to the Greinke sweepstakes, Heyman reports. MLBTR Interesting, I just want some dag gum information already. This also reiterates the point Bucket made yesterday. Seems his sources are a little more ahead of the curve than Mr. Heyman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:53 PM) And you are vastly underrating Tank and overrating Shields. Shields may ultimately end up the better player but Tank has him by the balls in terms of raw talent. And he's a lot cheaper too. Why do posters continue to tie posts together and assume? Dude said the only player he'd move "Tank" for was "The King". Nowhere in there did I say "holy s*** trade Tank for James Shields!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:51 PM) What would it take to get Shields? Would Viciedo or Reed be involved? I don't believe so. Shields is having a bad year. His ERA is 4.5. His value can't be that high right now. That being said, his peripherals are still decent and I'd like to have him as a 4th or 5th starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 04:15 PM) This also reiterates the point Bucket made yesterday. Seems his sources are a little more ahead of the curve than Mr. Heyman. He doesn't sound like much of an insider when they have him on the Score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:54 PM) Sorry my fault I thought the fact we would likely have to part with tank for shields was delusional. I may be delusional about that, but I wouldn't personally trade Tank for anyone other than Felix. That's my own opinion delusional or not, I really like tank and think he has a chance to be dominate for a long time. We disagree on the cost of Shields. That was covered multiple posts ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 The very fact that the Angels offered a bench player (Peter Bourjos) straight up for Shields not only hints at the perceived market value, it also indicates he could probably be had for one of our young pen arms (hope for Jones, settle for Reed), a decent spect like Mitchell, and then a low-level spect. That's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 04:22 PM) The very fact that the Angels offered a bench player (Peter Bourjos) straight up for Shields not only hints at the perceived market value, it also indicates he could probably be had for one of our young pen arms (hope for Jones, settle for Reed), a decent spect like Mitchell, and then a low-level spect. That's just my opinion. There's no f***ing way we should trade Reed for Shields. Jones and Mitchell, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 04:22 PM) The very fact that the Angels offered a bench player (Peter Bourjos) straight up for Shields not only hints at the perceived market value, it also indicates he could probably be had for one of our young pen arms (hope for Jones, settle for Reed), a decent spect like Mitchell, and then a low-level spect. That's just my opinion. And the Angels were laughed at. Let's just wait and see what happens instead of ripping apart everyone's posts. Edited July 27, 2012 by Frank_Thomas35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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