Quin Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Man, with all the Gordon talk lately, I feel like I'm gonna stand up for Gordon. When Bacon Slayer first came up, we got this: Great plate presence, drove the ball. Jeter thought he'd be the next big thing. Stone said he'd have a couple MVPs. He would only be "ok" defensively. Well, now he's elite defensively. The offense disappeared. But it was there and it shows flashes of returning. Kid is 25. He can turn it around. Crede wasn't a useful hitter until 2005, when he was 27. In his last year of arbitration. And we got two more years of Gordon cheaply, so there's time to turn it around. We don't need big offense from our #9 hitter, but his elite defense makes him useful. Rios has regained his All-Star form, so I believe Gordon can turn it around and become the Bacon Slayer once more. /optimism post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Dueling Gordon threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 I'm with you. I don't see how you give up on a talent like Beckham. Even if he's hitting .230 he helps you win. Haters gonna hate and they will always suggest he be replaced by the Chris Getz's of the world, just to change, but I think he'll hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 06:02 PM) Dueling Gordon threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) You guys will probably continue to believe til he's 30. Has a kid ever had more rope and excuses? Nice glove, awful baserunner and worse bat. You might as well hang on to him. He won't get more than a High 5 in arbitration. Edited July 26, 2012 by TaylorStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 I'm on the keep Beckham bandwagon as well, stellar D, his hitting will come around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 s***, I'm as cynical as they come. But if brother quinarvy has faith, I shall have faith. Alex Gordon is doing pretty good for himself lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 04:03 PM) <!--quoteo(post=2657989:date=Jul 26, 2012 -> 06:02 PM:name=The Ginger Kid)-->QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 06:02 PM) <!--quotec-->Dueling Gordon threads. Awesome! Hey, I want to believe in Gordon, does that count? His mechanics looked so different when he first came up. Can I still blame Walker? One positive is that he's "growing up" around some quality veterans who've taken their lumps in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 04:58 PM) Man, with all the Gordon talk lately, I feel like I'm gonna stand up for Gordon. When Bacon Slayer first came up, we got this: Great plate presence, drove the ball. Jeter thought he'd be the next big thing. Stone said he'd have a couple MVPs. He would only be "ok" defensively. Well, now he's elite defensively. The offense disappeared. But it was there and it shows flashes of returning. Kid is 25. He can turn it around. Crede wasn't a useful hitter until 2005, when he was 27. In his last year of arbitration. And we got two more years of Gordon cheaply, so there's time to turn it around. We don't need big offense from our #9 hitter, but his elite defense makes him useful. Rios has regained his All-Star form, so I believe Gordon can turn it around and become the Bacon Slayer once more. /optimism post. Apparently you don't consider a 741 and 714 OPS level of offense "useful." 19/75 and 21/69 HR's and RBI's in 2003 and 2004. We would die to get those numbers out of Beckham at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 J4L you're my boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 05:07 PM) s***, I'm as cynical as they come. But if brother quinarvy has faith, I shall have faith. Alex Gordon is doing pretty good for himself lately. He was also the consensus #1 collegiate player of the year. Beckham wasn't quite at that level, that anyone considered him for the top pick in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 06:13 PM) He was also the consensus #1 collegiate player of the year. Beckham wasn't quite at that level, that anyone considered him for the top pick in the first round. True. But everyone thought Alex was done. He finally broke out at age, what, 27? At least there's a recent example of a hyped played who turned it around later than expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Remember when we had the CF version of Beckham and everyone hated him? Isn't he pitching in the International League now? There's still hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Beckham has been my favorite player since he came up, he just carries a lot of swagger in his game and whoever said he is an awful baserunner is well... we'll just say misinformed. Just because he doesn't swipe bags doesn't mean he isn't one of the smartest players on the paths lol. He just got rushed honestly, and I don't know if the bat will ever come around again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 05:07 PM) s***, I'm as cynical as they come. But if brother quinarvy has faith, I shall have faith. Alex Gordon is doing pretty good for himself lately. It's amazing, because it felt like he was bound for the KC scrap heap just 2 or 3 seasons ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 06:15 PM) Beckham has been my favorite player since he came up, he just carries a lot of swagger in his game and whoever said he is an awful baserunner is well... we'll just say misinformed. Just because he doesn't swipe bags doesn't mean he isn't one of the smartest players on the paths lol. He just got rushed honestly, and I don't know if the bat will ever come around again. Seriously? He makes Lillibridge look like a good baserunner. I don't care how much swagger a guy has if he can't get the ball out of the IF. Admittedly, I'm biased. I've met him and let's just say I don't really jive with the backwards hat, Affliction shirt wearing crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 04:15 PM) Remember when we had the CF version of Beckham and everyone hated him? Isn't he pitching in the International League now? There's still hope. Oh Brian Anderson.. I miss his dreamy golden locks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 04:23 PM) Seriously? He makes Lillibridge look like a good baserunner. I don't care how much swagger a guy has if he can't get the ball out of the IF. Admittedly, I'm biased. I've met him and let's just say I don't really jive with the backwards hat, Affliction shirt wearing crew. He really doesn't make mistakes on the paths lol. I can remember not too long ago him stopping a double play by simply stopping in between 1st and 2nd and forcing the 2nd baseman to run up and tag him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 He was hitting good when his parents were there. Now he's back to popping everything up or grounding out. I don't know what to do but I agree that a trade may not necessarily be the solution here, even though I'm not opposed to it if a good trade comes along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Gordon is a valuable guy to have on a team as the primary backup infielder. He can play plus defense at three positions and can step in as an experienced starter in case of injury. Plus he's still cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 He's an average baserunner. Wouldn't call him good, he's somewhere in between. He's made quite a few mistakes on the basepaths the last couple of seasons. AJ and Jose Valentin, for example, are/were much better, despite their lack of speed. I'm not sure where this "headiness" thing comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 05:43 PM) Gordon is a valuable guy to have on a team as the primary backup infielder. He can play plus defense at three positions and can step in as an experienced starter in case of injury. Plus he's still cheap. But next year he starts becoming more and more expensive. 1st year of arbitration eligibility. Law of diminishing returns/ROI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 He might turn into a solid player some day. Maybe even like Alex Gordon, but he will not be doing it on the South Side of Chicago. He's a change of scenery candidate if I've ever seen one. He might do better in the NL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 06:53 PM) He's an average baserunner. Wouldn't call him good, he's somewhere in between. He's made quite a few mistakes on the basepaths the last couple of seasons. AJ and Jose Valentin, for example, are/were much better, despite their lack of speed. I'm not sure where this "headiness" thing comes from. It's an excuse for a bad player. You see it used all the tine in basketball for s***ty, white players, especially PG's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 07:03 PM) It's an excuse for a bad player. You see it used all the tine in basketball for s***ty, white players, especially PG's. AJ is a bad player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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