Chisoxfn Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 While everyone is fixated on Grienke, etc? Why not look into Shields. He's having a down year, probably in part because he threw 250 innings last year. He's signed through 2014 at very fair rates and has proven he can pitch in the AL. His numbers have been a little up and down, but worse case, he's a middle of the rotation innings eater and that is pretty valuable, especially when you have a few young guys in the rotation (Sale & Q). It also means the Sox can look at selling Floyd in the off-season for some other chips (if they want to put Castro or Molina in the rotation). And if you lose Peavy, the rotation is still in decent shape. I have no idea on the cost, but I'd be willing to give up some solid talent for Shields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Can we beat Peter Burjos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 11:42 AM) While everyone is fixated on Grienke, etc? Why not look into Shields. He's having a down year, probably in part because he threw 250 innings last year. He's signed through 2014 at very fair rates and has proven he can pitch in the AL. His numbers have been a little up and down, but worse case, he's a middle of the rotation innings eater and that is pretty valuable, especially when you have a few young guys in the rotation (Sale & Q). It also means the Sox can look at selling Floyd in the off-season for some other chips (if they want to put Castro or Molina in the rotation). And if you lose Peavy, the rotation is still in decent shape. I have no idea on the cost, but I'd be willing to give up some solid talent for Shields. i think that would be a move that would help them next year and not so much this year. hes been bad , could they fix him right away this year? dont know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:43 AM) Can we beat Peter Burjos? I'd think the club could. Burjos is more ready to plug in, but it isn't like he's a potential superstar. Dude is hitting sub .240. He plays exceptional defensive and projects to be a nice leadoff hitter, but he isn't like a #1 ranked prospect or anything. It also depends on what the Rays want. Burjos has a lot more value then Mitchell but if you package Mitchell (or Walker) with other players, well, Sox can beat that offer. Heck, even Hank Conger, whose name has been thrown around, while once a highly rated prospect, is no longer thought of as highly as he was a few years ago (and even then, a lot of scouts thought he had holes). Conger/Burjos is not even close to the best the Angels can offer and the Sox can put together that type of package (now if they need those specific positions, that might be harder). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Tampa desperately wants a catching prospect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 He's Aaron Rowand's cousin. Grindy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:44 AM) i think that would be a move that would help them next year and not so much this year. hes been bad , could they fix him right away this year? dont know 4.3 ERA this year in the AL East. He hasn't been bad. He's a significant upgrade over Humber and keeps the rest of the rotation in-tact. Next year he helps them again. So as far as I'm concerned, he helps the club this year and in future years. The dude has a career ERA in the AL (and in the toughest division in baseball) right at 4. 30 years old, 5 consecutive years with 200 innings. Dude is a horse. He is not an ace, but he'd be a great pick-up. And to be frank, if you get him without giving up anyone in the rotation, the club actually is better off (in terms of getting into the playoffs) then if you get Zach (but give up one of Q/Floyd). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:46 AM) Tampa desperately wants a catching prospect Does Flowers still count as that? Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:46 AM) Tampa desperately wants a catching prospect In that instance, I could make a case that Flowers is about as good of a prospect as Conger. Some might not agree, but Flowers has more power potential and quite frankly is better defensively. Neither Conger/Flowers have proved much at the major league level. Flowers did show he can put up a solid OPS (last year). Hard to judge him this year since he's had limited at bats, but if I were the Rays (and having watched both players), personally, I'd go after Flowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 11:48 AM) In that instance, I could make a case that Flowers is about as good of a prospect as Conger. Some might not agree, but Flowers has more power potential and quite frankly is better defensively. Neither Conger/Flowers have proved much at the major league level. Flowers did show he can put up a solid OPS (last year). Hard to judge him this year since he's had limited at bats, but if I were the Rays (and having watched both players), personally, I'd go after Flowers. Physically, Flowers looks more like a young Greg Luzinski every day. Too bad he doesn't hit like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Shields for Flowers + Mitchell/Walker something like that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 05:51 PM) Shields for Flowers + Mitchell/Walker something like that... And Quintana and Reed? Shields will cost more than Greinke or Dempster, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) I feel like Shields has Angels written all over him. Dude might as well be wearing an Anaheim (that's right... ANAHEIM) Angels jersey right now. They love him. Edited July 27, 2012 by Chet Kincaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 11:53 AM) And Quintana and Reed? Shields will cost more than Greinke or Dempster, etc. Depends how enamored they are about paying his future salaries... That's a lot of payroll for the Rays to soak up with limited resources. They can't have more than a couple of guys over $10 million at one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 11:48 AM) In that instance, I could make a case that Flowers is about as good of a prospect as Conger. Some might not agree, but Flowers has more power potential and quite frankly is better defensively. Neither Conger/Flowers have proved much at the major league level. Flowers did show he can put up a solid OPS (last year). Hard to judge him this year since he's had limited at bats, but if I were the Rays (and having watched both players), personally, I'd go after Flowers. With that long swing, Tyler needs to go somewhere and play every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:53 AM) And Quintana and Reed? Shields will cost more than Greinke or Dempster, etc. He shouldn't. He's having a pretty down year and there have already been deals this year where players went for way below their value (see Youklis, Kevin) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:53 AM) And Quintana and Reed? Shields will cost more than Greinke or Dempster, etc. I don't think so. Borjos and Conger, which it isn't clear whether the Angels have offered all of that or not, is not enough to land Greinke or Dempster. The Rays don't have to trade Shields though, however, it would appear the Rays would move him for a couple quality MLB pieces vs. your franchises #1 prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:58 AM) With that long swing, Tyler needs to go somewhere and play every day. He has improved significantly defensively though and to be frank, his swing has gotten better. He has good power potential and looks like he can be a solid defensive catcher (who calls a good game). AJ has helped him quite a bit too, which is nice. Offensively, he looks like a guy that can hit .240 with power behind the plate. He'll walk a decent amount and strike out a lot. But for a catcher, thats pretty valuable. The question is how down are people on him because of his limited playing time, etc? I believe in Tyler Flowers and I'd have to believe there are scouts out there that do as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 05:04 PM) I don't think so. Borjos and Conger, which it isn't clear whether the Angels have offered all of that or not, is not enough to land Greinke or Dempster. The Rays don't have to trade Shields though, however, it would appear the Rays would move him for a couple quality MLB pieces vs. your franchises #1 prospect. Didn't Tampa turn down Anaheim's offer though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:09 AM) Didn't Tampa turn down Anaheim's offer though? Of Borjo's. It isn't widely known whether Conger was a part of the package as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 This may merit some more discussion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Looking at his numbers, I can see why his value wouldn't be sky high. Which guy do you get? The CYA level guy from last year, the barely serviceable guy from th year before, or the Gavin Floyd-esque guy from the years previous? Depending on the way those numbers go, that contract could end up not being so great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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