Sale's velocity way down

[spiderman]

we're already probably giving away the game with humber today then skip sale on wed? we face diamond so that would be giving away another game. the race is too close to be doing this, definitely need another starter

 

I think they are likely, should they acquire another starter, to either a 6 man rotation for August, or have Humber/Axelrod to a spot start should it make sense at that moment. Come September, they have to their best starters on the mound every 5th day, and maybe every 4th day if it comes down to it.

 

For August, I think they will add some rest, when they can to ease the workloads of Sale, Peavy and Quintana.

[Chisoxfn]

I mentioned back in June that this has been the plan all along. Expect some ten day off stretches

Liriano should help the Sox protect Q and Sale, which is important. The way these guys have pitched, if they can maintain something even similar to that in there career, the Sox are really in business.

[justBLAZE]

As of right now Sale's next start is TBA . Liriano = Sale's inning limit.

[justBLAZE]

@CST_soxvan

 

Sale not a definite for Friday. Ventura acknowledges 'fatigue' of some degree for sale.

[southsider2k5]

@CST_soxvan

 

Sale not a definite for Friday. Ventura acknowledges 'fatigue' of some degree for sale.

 

I was afraid to think this, but the trade for Liriano kinda made me suspect this was coming.

[joeynach]

The Danks' situation is growing more concerning by the day. He's rested almost 2 months and he can't throw 30 pitches and not feel awful the next day. I had him penciled in for late August. This last bit of news yesterday made me erase that and pencil him in for perhaps spring training. I think there is something wrong that they haven't been able to see.

 

Yeah becuase there is a freaking tear in the scapula of the his throwing shoulder. Those things dont fix themselves, he needs surgery and has this whole time.

[fathom]

Yeah becuase there is a freaking tear in the scapula of the his throwing shoulder. Those things dont fix themselves, he needs surgery and has this whole time.

 

Where are you getting he has a tear in his shoulder?

[southsider2k5]

Yeah becuase there is a freaking tear in the scapula of the his throwing shoulder. Those things dont fix themselves, he needs surgery and has this whole time.

 

Source?

[Chisoxfn]

Where are you getting he has a tear in his shoulder?

Wasn't the original report that he had a slight tear? I swear that was what was reported maybe 6 weeks ago. However, I thought they said typically you don't have surgery for such injuries. Now maybe it is worse then they reported?

[TaylorStSox]

Wasn't the original report that he had a slight tear? I swear that was what was reported maybe 6 weeks ago. However, I thought they said typically you don't have surgery for such injuries. Now maybe it is worse then they reported?

You almost hope it's a tear. The situation right now is worse, they don't know what's wrong.

[IlliniKrush]

Per MLB Network Sale is being shut down for one start due to dead arm, is expected to start in 5 or 6 days.

[joeynach]

Source?

 

Its listed on his player profile on Rotoworld. He was diagnosed with slight tear in Scapula of throwing shoulder, but the whole time I felt like there was no way he was going to magically recover from that without surgery. Remember how bad Danks was earlier in the year pitching with the tear, he couldnt hit 90 MPH and every change up he threw got hit hard.

[ptatc]

Its listed on his player profile on Rotoworld. He was diagnosed with slight tear in Scapula of throwing shoulder, but the whole time I felt like there was no way he was going to magically recover from that without surgery. Remember how bad Danks was earlier in the year pitching with the tear, he couldnt hit 90 MPH and every change up he threw got hit hard.

This is totally wrong. First of all there is no such thing as a tear in a scapula. The scapula is a bone and it can fracture but not tear (unless you are skeletally immature but that's another story). With a diagnosis of something that doesn't exist no one could possibly know the outcome. Even if the injury existed, it said a grade 1, which is a mild strain that would in no way require surgery. That's why all along it had nothing to do with what was reported and still doesn't.

[ScottyDo]

This is totally wrong. First of all there is no such thing as a tear in a scapula. The scapula is a bone and it can fracture but not tear (unless you are skeletally immature but that's another story). With a diagnosis of something that doesn't exist no one could possibly know the outcome. Even if the injury existed, it said a grade 1, which is a mild strain that would in no way require surgery. That's why all along it had nothing to do with what was reported and still doesn't.

My guess is it was supposed to say subscapularis, which makes more sense.

[southsider2k5]

This is totally wrong. First of all there is no such thing as a tear in a scapula. The scapula is a bone and it can fracture but not tear (unless you are skeletally immature but that's another story). With a diagnosis of something that doesn't exist no one could possibly know the outcome. Even if the injury existed, it said a grade 1, which is a mild strain that would in no way require surgery. That's why all along it had nothing to do with what was reported and still doesn't.

 

My hero. Soxtalk owes you a collective load of drinks at a game some time.

[joeynach]

This is totally wrong. First of all there is no such thing as a tear in a scapula. The scapula is a bone and it can fracture but not tear (unless you are skeletally immature but that's another story). With a diagnosis of something that doesn't exist no one could possibly know the outcome. Even if the injury existed, it said a grade 1, which is a mild strain that would in no way require surgery. That's why all along it had nothing to do with what was reported and still doesn't.

 

Like I was saying....

John Danks was diagnosed with a Grade 1 sub-scapula tear of his left shoulder.

 

Danks will not need surgery to repair the tear, but there's no timetable for his return, either. It's probably safe to rule him out until after the All-Star break, at the very least. Source: Scott Merkin on Twitter Jun 18 - 11:22 PM

[southsider2k5]

Like I was saying....

John Danks was diagnosed with a Grade 1 sub-scapula tear of his left shoulder.

 

Danks will not need surgery to repair the tear, but there's no timetable for his return, either. It's probably safe to rule him out until after the All-Star break, at the very least. Source: Scott Merkin on Twitter Jun 18 - 11:22 PM

 

LMAO. Yeah, Scott Merkin

[joeynach]

LMAO. Yeah, Scott Merkin

 

Media source is a media source. Every media outlet has been discussing Dank's sub scapular tear since June, I listen to The Score and ESPN 1000 all day at work everyday. Seen it mentioned in pre/post, by Mark Gonzales, John Greenberg on Twitter, seen it mentioned on CSN over and over, even heard Coop talk about it with Rongey and Mulley/Hanley. How the hell were people in here saying no thats not true when I said John Danks as a muscle tear in his throwing shoulder...its been said 1000x time over and well established by the Sox and every media outlet. And on top of that, despite what anyone in the media says about his recovery timetable, show me a pitcher who has had a torn a muscle in his throwing arm or shoulder that hasn't in the end required surgery to repair.

[southsider2k5]

Media source is a media source. Every media outlet has been discussing Dank's sub scapular tear since June, I listen to The Score and ESPN 1000 all day at work everyday. Seen it mentioned in pre/post, by Mark Gonzales, John Greenberg on Twitter, seen it mentioned on CSN over and over, even heard Coop talk about it with Rongey and Mulley/Hanley. How the hell were people in here saying no thats not true when I said John Danks as a muscle tear in his throwing shoulder...its been said 1000x time over and well established by the Sox and every media outlet. And on top of that, despite what anyone in the media says about his recovery timetable, show me a pitcher who has had a torn a muscle in his throwing arm or shoulder that hasn't in the end required surgery to repair.

 

You have an experienced baseball trainer telling you one thing, and a media member telling you another. Go ahead and believe the guy who has no idea what he is talking about.

[Dick Allen]

Media source is a media source. Every media outlet has been discussing Dank's sub scapular tear since June, I listen to The Score and ESPN 1000 all day at work everyday. Seen it mentioned in pre/post, by Mark Gonzales, John Greenberg on Twitter, seen it mentioned on CSN over and over, even heard Coop talk about it with Rongey and Mulley/Hanley. How the hell were people in here saying no thats not true when I said John Danks as a muscle tear in his throwing shoulder...its been said 1000x time over and well established by the Sox and every media outlet. And on top of that, despite what anyone in the media says about his recovery timetable, show me a pitcher who has had a torn a muscle in his throwing arm or shoulder that hasn't in the end required surgery to repair.

sub-scapular does not equal scapular. What you were saying wasn't what Merkin was saying.

[joeynach]

You have an experienced baseball trainer telling you one thing, and a media member telling you another. Go ahead and believe the guy who has no idea what he is talking about.

 

The trainer wasn't telling me or us anything, the sox PR was telling us. Big difference. Im sure they told Danks many times the injury could be more severe, could recquire a specialist, could recquire surgery, but thats not what the PR department would release to fans/media. Thats what their job is, to downplay bad news or negative outcomes. Not for a second did I believe nor do I ever believe how good things are when the PR group speaks or how bad things are when the PR group speaks. I consider myself an estitue enough follow to make up my own mind on the information I am able to discover from the various white sox communities: blogs (South Side Sox, Sox Machine), Forums (Soxtalk), Radio (Rongey, B&B, Spiegel, Schuster, Farmer), TV (Stone/Hawk, Garfein, Thomas, Melton, etc), Twitter (Merkin, Mark Gonzales, Jon Greenberg, etc). Taking in all those sources of information on the John Danks injury from Day One, I would say an easy interpretation is that the injury to his arm described as sub scapular Grade 1 Tear, would most likely end his season and recquire surgery. If the injury was recoverable than from all those sources I mentioned above than I wouldnt have heard things over the past 2 months like; "no timetable for return", "Danks still feels sore after throwing on flat ground", "trainers still not sure extent of injury", "RV doesnt think Danks will be back in Aug", "Danks still not ready for rehab assingment", "Danks/Sox eyeing return after ASG now likely mid august", etc etc. When you hear things like this over and over and over you can be pretty damn sure your dealing with a season ending injury, regardless of what the head trainer says through the Sox PR department.

[joeynach]

Well now we know. Mark Gonzales tweets "Danks had repair of capsular tear and minor debridements of the rotator cuff and biceps in his left shoulder. Will be in sling for four weeks."

Edited August 6, 2012 by joeynach

[southsider2k5]

The trainer wasn't telling me or us anything, the sox PR was telling us. Big difference. Im sure they told Danks many times the injury could be more severe, could recquire a specialist, could recquire surgery, but thats not what the PR department would release to fans/media. Thats what their job is, to downplay bad news or negative outcomes. Not for a second did I believe nor do I ever believe how good things are when the PR group speaks or how bad things are when the PR group speaks. I consider myself an estitue enough follow to make up my own mind on the information I am able to discover from the various white sox communities: blogs (South Side Sox, Sox Machine), Forums (Soxtalk), Radio (Rongey, B&B, Spiegel, Schuster, Farmer), TV (Stone/Hawk, Garfein, Thomas, Melton, etc), Twitter (Merkin, Mark Gonzales, Jon Greenberg, etc). Taking in all those sources of information on the John Danks injury from Day One, I would say an easy interpretation is that the injury to his arm described as sub scapular Grade 1 Tear, would most likely end his season and recquire surgery. If the injury was recoverable than from all those sources I mentioned above than I wouldnt have heard things over the past 2 months like; "no timetable for return", "Danks still feels sore after throwing on flat ground", "trainers still not sure extent of injury", "RV doesnt think Danks will be back in Aug", "Danks still not ready for rehab assingment", "Danks/Sox eyeing return after ASG now likely mid august", etc etc. When you hear things like this over and over and over you can be pretty damn sure your dealing with a season ending injury, regardless of what the head trainer says through the Sox PR department.

 

Great speech, but you missed the important part here. What you are saying isn't physically possible. He was telling you what was physically possible. What you said was wrong, and he corrected it. Though I am sure the shooter was on the grassy knoll.

[Dick Allen]

The trainer wasn't telling me or us anything, the sox PR was telling us. Big difference. Im sure they told Danks many times the injury could be more severe, could recquire a specialist, could recquire surgery, but thats not what the PR department would release to fans/media. Thats what their job is, to downplay bad news or negative outcomes. Not for a second did I believe nor do I ever believe how good things are when the PR group speaks or how bad things are when the PR group speaks. I consider myself an estitue enough follow to make up my own mind on the information I am able to discover from the various white sox communities: blogs (South Side Sox, Sox Machine), Forums (Soxtalk), Radio (Rongey, B&B, Spiegel, Schuster, Farmer), TV (Stone/Hawk, Garfein, Thomas, Melton, etc), Twitter (Merkin, Mark Gonzales, Jon Greenberg, etc). Taking in all those sources of information on the John Danks injury from Day One, I would say an easy interpretation is that the injury to his arm described as sub scapular Grade 1 Tear, would most likely end his season and recquire surgery. If the injury was recoverable than from all those sources I mentioned above than I wouldnt have heard things over the past 2 months like; "no timetable for return", "Danks still feels sore after throwing on flat ground", "trainers still not sure extent of injury", "RV doesnt think Danks will be back in Aug", "Danks still not ready for rehab assingment", "Danks/Sox eyeing return after ASG now likely mid august", etc etc. When you hear things like this over and over and over you can be pretty damn sure your dealing with a season ending injury, regardless of what the head trainer says through the Sox PR department.

If the Sox thought, or I should say knew for sure that he was going to need surgery, exactly what were they trying to accomplish delaying it? They obviously felt it was something where surgery could be avoided. It turns out it was not. It looks like their diagnosis was fairly right on except perhaps the tear was a little bigger than they thought.

[southsider2k5]

If the Sox thought, or I should say knew for sure that he was going to need surgery, exactly what were they trying to accomplish delaying it? They obviously felt it was something where surgery could be avoided. It turns out it was not. It looks like their diagnosis was fairly right on except perhaps the tear was a little bigger than they thought.

 

Trying to acquire a starting pitcher before everyone knew he was out for the year?