Danks will have exploratory surgery

[caulfield12]

When? Even guys like Cliff Lee are inconsistent. I guess Buehrle is earning his so far, but his team is sucking so it doesn't matter too much.

 

 

CC Sabathia.

 

Halladay for most of his contract.

 

Felix Hernandez.

 

Verlander.

[Marty34]

I said all along don't trade Viciedo, don't trade for Greinke, trade for a second/third tier starter who won't cost us Viciedo/Quintana/Reed.

 

The only time all season I've turned on KW is when they were mismanaging the Sale situation for 10 days.

 

All spring the Sox were going to contend, 10 games into the season you said there's no use trying to compete with the Tigers and you've been back and forth on it since. It's provided me with almost as much amusement as your attendance watch.

 

 

 

 

[caulfield12]

All spring the Sox were going to contend, 10 games into the season you said there's no use trying to compete with the Tigers and you've been back and forth on it since. It's provided me with almost as much amusement as your attendance watch.

 

And the only player I've said that we should trade during that whole time is Matt Thornton.

 

And I still feel that way.

 

It's no more amusing than your spending 249 posts pushing Juan Pierre on us, and 181 posts pushing a Zack Greinke deal that was never going to fly, then saying in hindsight you were for Liriano, lol.

 

Should I quote all 321 posts in the last 12 months begging them to trade Alexei Ramirez and start Lillibridge at SS?

 

C'mon...you would have destroyed the team single-handedly. After awhile, you still wanted to trade Quintana and Viciedo for Greinke even when it became patently obvious he wasn't signable or particularly interested in pitching for us, but you still advocated it but kept on moving the bar upwards to fire KW.

 

First, low attendance, he should be fired.

Then, well, Morel, Beckham, Danks, Flowers and Molina aren't making progress. Goodbye, KW.

 

Ooops!!!

 

Talk about changing the standard in order to fit into your crusade to fire KW. Now, despite so many things going well and 3 great trades, you still want KW to be let go.

 

Then you have absolutely ZERO suggestions as to who actually should be the GM.

[Rowand44]

If you don't sign a pitcher to a long-term deal, someone else will. So you can take the stance of never handing out long-term contracts, but be prepared to lose every good pitcher you have to FA.

Ya, this.

[Marty34]

And the only player I've said that we should trade during that whole time is Matt Thornton.

 

And I still feel that way.

 

It's no more amusing than your spending 249 posts pushing Juan Pierre on us, and 181 posts pushing a Zack Greinke deal that was never going to fly, then saying in hindsight you were for Liriano, lol.

 

Should I quote all 321 posts in the last 12 months begging them to trade Alexei Ramirez and start Lillibridge at SS?

 

C'mon...you would have destroyed the team single-handedly. After awhile, you still wanted to trade Quintana and Viciedo for Greinke even when it became patently obvious he wasn't signable or particularly interested in pitching for us, but you still advocated it but kept on moving the bar upwards to fire KW.

 

First, low attendance, he should be fired.

Then, well, Morel, Beckham, Danks, Flowers and Molina aren't making progress. Goodbye, KW.

 

Ooops!!!

 

Talk about changing the standard in order to fit into your crusade to fire KW. Now, despite so many things going well and 3 great trades, you still want KW to be let go.

 

Then you have absolutely ZERO suggestions as to who actually should be the GM.

 

You do point the finger even when you misrepresent my arguments. You must not be able to help yourself.

Edited July 29, 2012 by Marty34

[daa84]

Where's PTAC with the recovery schedule if there is a surgery on a partially torn labrum?

Rauch had this, Santana (I think), Halladay going through it this year but no surgery. They've told him that he can't make it worse but he doesn't seem to want to push through it or pitch with anything resembling abnormal pain. Well, unless you're in his shoes, u can't know what it feels like, but he's got a guaranteed contract for 5 years so you'd think he would be showing more desire to come back and help us since he's only seen a pennant race in 2008 and 2010.

I thought danks has a rotator cuff injury, not a torn labrum? Big difference in the two

[greg775]

CC Sabathia.

 

Halladay for most of his contract.

 

Felix Hernandez.

 

Verlander.

 

Take Halladay out of there. He's hurt, isn't he? Three guys. Think of all the money going to pitchers that turned out to be a big waste of cash. The owners can't help themselves. They've got to have these big name pitchers and will pay them gads of money each offseason. Sad.

[caulfield12]

Take Halladay out of there. He's hurt, isn't he? Three guys. Think of all the money going to pitchers that turned out to be a big waste of cash. The owners can't help themselves. They've got to have these big name pitchers and will pay them gads of money each offseason. Sad.

 

 

I'd say the Angels are happy with Jeff Weaver.

[Chisoxfn]

You could see this coming for weeks. I hope he makes a miraculous comeback, but its certainly not looking good.

What is surgery going to do? I thought everything was structurally okay? I'm really confused at what is going on. All kinds of reports of no issues. Is Danks going to go all Scott Kazmir and just fall off the face of the earth? I'm getting worried that might be the case. Especially with it being a shoulder injury, those are things many people never recover from.

 

I hope I'm wrong. It really sounds like no one has a clue what is going on.

[Chisoxfn]

Ya, this.

As long as you are willing to develop and invest in pitching at the minor league level (and have a coach like Coop that can help fix talented guys that haven't made it), you really don't have to invest long-term. Young pitchers are under your control a pretty long time before they truly become free agents (sure they'll have a couple big arbitration years, but again, it keeps you from going long-term). Then you deal them a year before and move along.

 

It can be done consistently and you can contend, its just a matter of putting a focus on it. That is exactly how I'd handle it. Draft pitching pitching and more pitching. From a position perspective, its a little safer going long-term so I'd pick and choose who I'd go long-term with and be willing to do it. In a year where I need a big name pitcher, I can acquire one with a couple years left on a deal and go that route (in a put over the top type of move).

[Chisoxfn]

I'd say the Angels are happy with Jeff Weaver.

Weaver signed a deal at a major discount though. His contract is a huge bargain. No idea what will happen long-term, but major bargain. Another major thing to remember is payroll constraints. If you room for a 120-150M payroll, you can afford to overpay at times, if said player puts you over the top or fills a major need that you can't fill from within.

[southsider2k5]

Coming off a down season where he spent time on the DL and there wasn't much interest in him on the trade market makes the 5-year deal anything but 100% the right move at the time. It was a gamble that blew up pretty big.

 

The market said otherwise. Danks would have been one of the top three pitchers on this FA market, and would have been a hundred million dollar contract, sans the shoulder problems.

[fathom]

What is surgery going to do? I thought everything was structurally okay? I'm really confused at what is going on. All kinds of reports of no issues. Is Danks going to go all Scott Kazmir and just fall off the face of the earth? I'm getting worried that might be the case. Especially with it being a shoulder injury, those are things many people never recover from.

 

I hope I'm wrong. It really sounds like no one has a clue what is going on.

 

Yep, beginning to remind me of Mark Prior

[Chisoxfn]

Yep, beginning to remind me of Mark Prior

Its tough too cause he has a pretty low impact delivery and has never really had any arm issues, so his injury would have been hard to predict. Albeit, most good starters are going to have a serious arm injury at least once in there career. You just hope its the type that has a favorable recovery period.

I just don't get it given how many clean scans he had (until they finally saw the slight tear in the scalpia or whatever the hell it was). As a whole everyone made the injury sound very minimal.

[Dick Allen]

What is surgery going to do? I thought everything was structurally okay? I'm really confused at what is going on. All kinds of reports of no issues. Is Danks going to go all Scott Kazmir and just fall off the face of the earth? I'm getting worried that might be the case. Especially with it being a shoulder injury, those are things many people never recover from.

 

I hope I'm wrong. It really sounds like no one has a clue what is going on.

It may be one of those situations they have to go in to find out what's wrong. If it doesn't get better, IMO, they probably put him through a parade of seeing specialists until someone is able to diagnose something different from what they have. If they can't find someone who can see something definitely wrong, they go in and try to find something. If the rest isn't working, there's probably anther issue going on that the tests they have given him so far haven't been able to pick up.

[Chisoxfn]

The market said otherwise. Danks would have been one of the top three pitchers on this FA market, and would have been a hundred million dollar contract, sans the shoulder problems.

I don't think he'd have gotten 100 million, but he'd have gotten more then he signed with the Sox for, imo. Albeit, thats why you take the money, cause had he waited, he'd have lost out on a lot of money (no one would be giving him a big contract following this year).

[southsider2k5]

And the only player I've said that we should trade during that whole time is Matt Thornton.

 

And I still feel that way.

 

It's no more amusing than your spending 249 posts pushing Juan Pierre on us, and 181 posts pushing a Zack Greinke deal that was never going to fly, then saying in hindsight you were for Liriano, lol.

 

Should I quote all 321 posts in the last 12 months begging them to trade Alexei Ramirez and start Lillibridge at SS?

 

C'mon...you would have destroyed the team single-handedly. After awhile, you still wanted to trade Quintana and Viciedo for Greinke even when it became patently obvious he wasn't signable or particularly interested in pitching for us, but you still advocated it but kept on moving the bar upwards to fire KW.

 

First, low attendance, he should be fired.

Then, well, Morel, Beckham, Danks, Flowers and Molina aren't making progress. Goodbye, KW.

 

Ooops!!!

 

Talk about changing the standard in order to fit into your crusade to fire KW. Now, despite so many things going well and 3 great trades, you still want KW to be let go.

 

Then you have absolutely ZERO suggestions as to who actually should be the GM.

 

OK, this is crossing the line into personal. Let's let this one go.

[southsider2k5]

I don't think he'd have gotten 100 million, but he'd have gotten more then he signed with the Sox for, imo. Albeit, thats why you take the money, cause had he waited, he'd have lost out on a lot of money (no one would be giving him a big contract following this year).

 

I don't think 6 years at $100 million would have been out of the question.

[southsider2k5]

Yep, beginning to remind me of Mark Prior

 

Please. Danks go through five seasons without a significant injury. Prior go through one. They aren't even close to the same.

[Chisoxfn]

I don't think 6 years at $100 million would have been out of the question.

We'll never know, but thats more money then Weaver and CJ Wilson, both of whom are better pitches (albeit, Weaver took a ridiculous hometown discount). I suppose he could have gotten Buehlre money, depending on the upside teams saw in Danks. Either way, he'd have gotten paid very well, but I'm sure he's incredibly happy he signed that extension.

[Chisoxfn]

Please. Danks go through five seasons without a significant injury. Prior go through one. They aren't even close to the same.

But if you look at the injuries. Prior had nothing they could find, but he just lost the ability to pitch. Some similarities from a medical perspective. I will feel much better when Danks is on the mound looking like Danks (solid 3 ERA, etc).

[southsider2k5]

We'll never know, but thats more money then Weaver and CJ Wilson, both of whom are better pitches (albeit, Weaver took a ridiculous hometown discount). I suppose he could have gotten Buehlre money, depending on the upside teams saw in Danks. Either way, he'd have gotten paid very well, but I'm sure he's incredibly happy he signed that extension.

 

With Hamels signing a deal for 6 years at $24 million per year, I don't think Danks at $16 would have been crazy. This years open market is pretty much Grienke and a bunch of question marks.

[southsider2k5]

Weaver signed a deal at a major discount though. His contract is a huge bargain. No idea what will happen long-term, but major bargain. Another major thing to remember is payroll constraints. If you room for a 120-150M payroll, you can afford to overpay at times, if said player puts you over the top or fills a major need that you can't fill from within.

 

In this market, Weaver could have pushed near $200 million.

[fathom]

Please. Danks go through five seasons without a significant injury. Prior go through one. They aren't even close to the same.

 

I wasn't referring to injury history, but rather to a situation where they couldn't find anything yet the pitcher just didn't seem comfortable throwing.

[kitekrazy]

The market said otherwise. Danks would have been one of the top three pitchers on this FA market, and would have been a hundred million dollar contract, sans the shoulder problems.

 

I think this is a situation where the fan base overrates him. Other than this upside we keep waiting on, his stats don't say $100K pitcher. The Sox were the high bidder in this one. He was determined during the season to be somewhere else.