Eminor3rd Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/q...-hitting-coach/ Sounds like what would happen if I were the hitting coach. "Hey, you guys are good, don't change anything... just swing at good pitches and take bad ones." Jeff Manto stresses approach over mechanics and believes in letting a hitter be himself. The philosophy is paying dividends for the first-year Chicago White Sox hitting coach, as his team currently ranks sixth in MLB in runs scored and fifth in home runs. A big part of that success has been the reemergence of Adam Dunn and Alex Rios, who have flourished under his watch. Manto shared his thoughts on hitting, and four key members of the White Sox lineup, last month at Fenway Park. —— Manto on Adam Dunn and confidence: “Adam has great athleticism. He really has a good bottom half in his swing, and as big as he is, he has great eye-hand coordination — despite his strikeouts. He has the ability to put a lot of balls in play, although it’s not necessarily happening right now. And he has a great swing path. “I would define athleticism, for a hitter, as being able get to all parts of the plate. There are some guys who become too mechanical and strictly have the ability to hit middle-in. Athleticism is showing the ability to take a left-handed curveball, or a left-handed slider, that’s down and away and hit it to left-center. Adam can do that. “Adam’s swing path is… I don’t know if ‘traditional’ is the right word, but it’s a bat path that comes down through the zone. He has some length in his swing behind him and he has great length out in front of him. “I don’t think [the length] contributes to his strikeout totals. I think pitch selection does that for him. It’s a timing thing. His swing path is fine. “Why [is he having a good year]? Number one, he’s healthy. And despite the whole mechanical part of it, I think he just believes that he can hit again. He believes that he is a superstar and believes that he a good hitter. When you have confidence on top of ability, you’re dangerous. “When a guy is struggling, it’s usually more mental than anything. I firmly believe — and I’m probably in the minority on this — that once you get to the big leagues, your mechanics are just about fine. I don’t think you ever have the perfect mechanics on every swing, but if you have a good approach every night, you can succeed. Everybody at this level has the mechanics to play here.” On Alex Rios and adjustments: “Rios, right now, is such a great hitter. With him and me, it was an evolution of discussions on what he wanted to do with the ball. When he was spread out… in talking to him, his batting stance didn’t match what he wanted to do with the ball. He wanted to drive the ball to all fields, get on top of some breaking balls, and on top of some fastballs. Being spread out didn’t allow him to do that. As we talked, he moved himself and stood up taller. Now he sees a lot differently and isn’t missing a whole lot of pitches. “We talked. I wasn’t going to go in there and be a hitting coach who demanded that anything got done. We had conversations and he believed, and trusted, what we had to say. That’s when he took off. “I’m not a big video guy. I know that video is very important and I know it plays a major role, but it’s just a part of the hitting department. It’s not solely the hitting department. We didn’t look at video, we looked at results. One thing we try to do here is worry about the ball. We believe that if we worry about the ball, the ball becomes the most important thing and mechanics will take care of themselves. “As a hitting coach, I’m looking for balls hit hard. If you’re squaring the ball up — if you’re hitting it hard — I firmly believe that your mechanics are sound, and your approach is sound.” On Paul Konerko and preparation: “Our guys will tell me what their plan is, and if I disagree with that, then we’ll have a discussion about it. There are a few guys on our team who like to look middle-in, and hit away. That’s not the traditional way of way of doing things, but there are a lot of successful hitters who do that. The zone you look in varies hitter to hitter.” “Paul Konerko, probably [wants the most information on the team]. He likes to see where balls are being hit. He likes to know what he’s doing, because he’s such a conscientious guy. He pays attention to a lot of different things. He cares. “What we look for is where their pitches are, whether he’s an arm-side guy or a glove-side guy. If we know that a guy can’t throw his fastball to his arm side, well, we’re looking glove side, and vice versa. We’re not going to sit here and try to cover the whole plate. We’re looking tendencies. We’re looking to see where they throw most of the time. “[Konerko] wants a few people involved, but all we do is validate what his plan his. He’s one of the superstars that truly accepts and appreciates coaching.” On Gordon Beckham and mechanics: “Gordon is finally getting his mechanics to where he can sustain 600 plate appearances. Last year was quite a bit uphill. His hips were moving quite a bit, but now he’s trying to stay in place more often. His lower half was coming up and sliding a little bit, and it was dragging his bat through the zone. He’s cleaned that up quite a bit. “When you’re running your hips all over the place… there are a thousand drills to help you feel that. You want them to concentrate most on the drills that will help them feel what they need to adjust. And it’s a commitment. You have to mentally and physically commit to making an adjustment. “In a more general sense, one of the downfalls of hitting is that it has become so darn mechanical. I think there is a time and place for mechanics. When you’re dealing with so much stress and so much pressure at these high levels, you have to depend on your approach. Some might argue, but in my opinion, your approach is more important than your mechanics. When you have 40,000 people screaming down your throat, you have to be able to stick to your approach. “If a hitter’s approach is correct, and he can’t get it done, then it’s mechanics. That isn’t very common, because like I said earlier, if you’re playing at this level, you have mechanics. There might be a tweak here or there, but nothing that needs an overhaul. If you need an overhaul, you’re not ready to play here.” On letting hitters be themselves: “We have 13 hitters and I try to teach 13 different ways. I’ll tell 13 different hitters 13 different spots, and 13 different plans. I don’t believe there is one way of hitting. In my opinion, a good hitting coach has to teach 13 different ways. That’s what I try to do. “When I played, I had Charlie Manuel and Joe Maddon as hitting coaches, and they both made sure that I took care of my strengths. I want my guys to experience what I experienced. I had great hitting coaches who let me be me. When I needed to be instructed, they weren’t afraid to come in and say, ‘Hey, do this,’ but mostly they let me be me.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Manto sure likes to say he doesn't believe in video, but that article sure saids different. All he talks about is the mechanical approaches and changes, along with all of the pitching approaches to his hitters. Kinda hard to know that without watching video. He also seems to be pretty gifted as getting hitters to make changes, while making it seem like it was their own idea. He seems to be very solid at getting into the hitters heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Great write-up. I really enjoyed his comments on Beckham and Rios. And Mike, totally agree with you. I see him saying he doesn't watch film, yet what I hear, it sounds like a guy that knows the mechanics. He might not stress them as much in certain circumstances and I definitely enjoy the fact that he emphases approach as it really is one of the big differentiators offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Coaches and hitters did this for decades without film. Film helps by allowing the swing to be slowed down and micromanaged. My guess is he doesn't want to micromanage the swing. let's not take out a protractor and gauge angles. I like his philosophy that by the time you reach the Cell, your mechanics are your mechanics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 3, 2012 -> 10:23 AM) He also seems to be pretty gifted as getting hitters to make changes, while making it seem like it was their own idea. He seems to be very solid at getting into the hitters heads. Great read and I totally agree with this. It's like he tries to get them to be confident by making them think they are making all the changes. For a guy like Rios that could be all the difference in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 I like Manto's approach. The best thing a hitting coach can do is observe, give pointers and get the hell out of the way. Rios is a good example. Last year he was making contact on everything, but couldn't drive the ball because he was too low. Manto showed him and got the hell out of the way. Now, Rios has really become an exceptional hitter. He goes with the pitch and drives the ball to all fields with authority. I've always been a big Rios fan. His growth is icing on the cake to a fantastic season, thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 His comments make me think that he's down on Gordon. First he says you don't need many big adjustments mechanically if you are ready for the bigs, then he basically says that the primary focus when he works with Gordon is on his mechanics. That means Gordon's hips are so s***ty that no approach will help him hit the ball. The article also makes it seem as if PK is one that responds very well to coaching and that perhaps Jeff/Robin/crew have something to do with this big season Paul is having. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 something happened to Beckham from the year he was called up (after his 0-for streak, when he was actually successful for a while) to the last 2 years + now that completely destroyed his ability to hit MLB pitching mechanics, lack of concentration, lack of confidence, i really don't give a f*** because all that matters is he can't hit at the major league level anymore and honestly I'm tired of our radio and TV guys making so many excuses for him, like he deserves it. he doesn't deserve anybodies excuses, because I don't hear him making any for himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 QUOTE (Real @ Aug 4, 2012 -> 03:32 AM) something happened to Beckham from the year he was called up (after his 0-for streak, when he was actually successful for a while) to the last 2 years + now that completely destroyed his ability to hit MLB pitching mechanics, lack of concentration, lack of confidence, i really don't give a f*** because all that matters is he can't hit at the major league level anymore and honestly I'm tired of our radio and TV guys making so many excuses for him, like he deserves it. he doesn't deserve anybodies excuses, because I don't hear him making any for himself Really, it's pitcher's figuring out what they need to do to get him out. Beckham's just not a good hitter. He has the tools to be, but he isn't. Wasn't there talk of him resisting coaching and using his Dad as an adviser? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Already was a thread on this on the same page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noonskadoodle Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 03:56 PM) Already was a thread on this on the same page. I need my eyes checked haha I could've swore I looked up & down that page seeing if it was already a thread. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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