Jordan4life_2003 Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 If losin 6 outta 7 to 2 sub .500 teams doesn't tell u something I don't know what does. I've tried to be positive with this team through thick and thin. But at some point u have to wave the white flag. Obviously numbers wise we're still very much in it. We're 3 gms out but we may as well be 10. I don't see us winning this division. We're too streaky. 1 week we can look like the 27 Yanks and the next week we can look like the 02 Tigers. That's not how u win in this league. Can u imagine us goin up against the Yanks and Bo-sox right now? The very thought scares the s*** outta me. The Royals and twins have been scufflin and we haven't taken advantage. I'd bet anything that if we do start playin well again they will do the same. Whatever...f*** this team :fyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Well, at least Chicago has the Blackhawks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted August 18, 2003 Author Share Posted August 18, 2003 That should give you SOME optomisum. Trust me man, i feel ya, but im trying my hardest to find some hope through this. I don't no how u stay so positive man. Maybe u can be my White Sox shrink... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 I love you Heather! Right back at ya! I love everyone...Including Champion97! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 I love that he has a copyright on his name. How couldn't the "show stoppa, headliner, and main-event" NOT have a copywritten name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 This begs the question. Is it JM's fault we didn't win it this year, or are the players just too inconsistent. I am thinking we had a real chance this year and JM may be to blame. I think Piniella coulda won it all with this team. We have good enough starters. We have no team speed but do have some bashers. We have average defense. We have no bullpen. My question to you all is: Is it JM's fault? Did we have enough this year to win it all and just were unmotivated for the most part? Or are the players to blame for their inconsistent play? On paper we look a lot worse next year, folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 If losin 6 outta 7 to 2 sub .500 teams doesn't tell u something I don't know what does. I've tried to be positive with this team through thick and thin. But at some point u have to wave the white flag. Obviously numbers wise we're still very much in it. We're 3 gms out but we may as well be 10. I don't see us winning this division. We're too streaky. 1 week we can look like the 27 Yanks and the next week we can look like the 02 Tigers. That's not how u win in this league. Can u imagine us goin up against the Yanks and Bo-sox right now? The very thought scares the s*** outta me. The Royals and twins have been scufflin and we haven't taken advantage. I'd bet anything that if we do start playin well again they will do the same. Whatever...f*** this team :fyou Another one bites the dust. Welcome to the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 I'm pretty sure the sox will get on a hot streak this homestand, then they go play the yankees and the tigers, I think I'm more worried about the tigers, this has to be the biggest rollercoaster ride of a season ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebeck Fan Club Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Every time this team has shown life, they've gone right back into the tank a week later. Loiaza and Colon getting hammered speaks volumes. If we had even a decent week we'd be right on the doorstep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Personally, I'm surprised there werent more "I give up" posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 For me, I'm waiting until the end of this week to give up, I think they can turn this thing around right away once they come back home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 I just read something interesting about the Royals. Their top 4 winningist pitchers are all NOT on the the team right now. They are all either on the DL or in the minors after the send down of Elvis Hernandez. Lima is coming back tonight though, but still they are decimated, and playing like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 I am not going to give up until the magic number is 0 for either the Twins or the Royals. People don't realize that we do have 14 games left with the Royals and Twinks. We win 10 of those 14(which is very possible), and we got a helluva chance to win the division. I hate to say this(because it is an old saying and is so blatantly obvious it hurts), but it ain't over till it's over. I just want those who have given up on this season get ready for crow if we do in fact win the division. I've got my plate and fork ready if we are in fact done too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkdog Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 This begs the question. Is it JM's fault we didn't win it this year, or are the players just too inconsistent. I am thinking we had a real chance this year and JM may be to blame. I think Piniella coulda won it all with this team. We have good enough starters. We have no team speed but do have some bashers. We have average defense. We have no bullpen. My question to you all is: Is it JM's fault? Did we have enough this year to win it all and just were unmotivated for the most part? Or are the players to blame for their inconsistent play? On paper we look a lot worse next year, folks. I have said before that I never felt like the Sox could slug their way to a championship. But given the weakness of our division, and the relative strength of our pitching staff, a division title was possible and that pitching could carry us deep in October. That said, the inconsistency of this team falls on Manuel and here's why. If you're going to slug, then play your sluggers and position them in the line up where they are supposed to be and kepp them there everyday possible. Hitting #2, does Carlos Lee look like a table setter to you - to me he looks like a #5. Valentin seems better suited to this role yet he hits 7th, yet when he is platooned, Graffanino hits #1 or #2. Why is an all-star hitter like Carl Everett being platooned against lefties? He wasn't in Texas and that's where he built his numbers. My point is when Manuel chooses to platoon or or create a lineup based on pitching matchups - he shuffles the entire order and creates everyday uncertainty for his own club. That is an advatage to the opponent. By setting your lineup, the players always know who they will hit behind and in front of (whether they play that day or not) so that they can bring a consistent mental approach to the plate everyday. Here is a set line up - this allows for consistency in approach for all your offensive players while being able to allow days for rest. The lineup would shuffle when your big sticks need a day off. But this would be exception rather than the norm. Alomar/Harris 2B Valentin/Graffanino SS Thomas DH/1B Ordonez RF Lee LF Konerko/Daubach DH/1B Everett/Rowand CF Crede/Graffanino 3B Alomar/Olivo C The same goes for the bullpen. Houston has managed to go pretty far (albeit in a weak division) with pitching woes - the reason is because their bullpen is set. The pitchers know thier roles - Rick White was not wrong. If the Astros are leading going into the 7th - the opposition knows that winning the game will be an uphill task with Lidge in the 7th, Dotel in the 8th, and Wagner in the 9th. The Sox go by committee - there are no bullpen roles. That creates uncertainty in the bullpen which is an advantage to the opposition. Guys never know when they might be called on or for how long or in what situation. Koch's breakdown has contributed to this - but it was a problem before he went down. Inconsistency is a mental affliction. But without consistency in approach it is not possible to play consistent. Manuel has to go. Sorry for the long post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 I am not going to give up until the magic number is 0 for either the Twins or the Royals. People don't realize that we do have 14 games left with the Royals and Twinks. We win 10 of those 14(which is very possible), and we got a helluva chance to win the division. I hate to say this(because it is an old saying and is so blatantly obvious it hurts), but it ain't over till it's over. I just want those who have given up on this season get ready for crow if we do in fact win the division. I've got my plate and fork ready if we are in fact done too. I havent given up on us winning the division. However, i do know our team sucks, either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 I am not going to give up until the magic number is 0 for either the Twins or the Royals. People don't realize that we do have 14 games left with the Royals and Twinks. We win 10 of those 14(which is very possible), and we got a helluva chance to win the division. I hate to say this(because it is an old saying and is so blatantly obvious it hurts), but it ain't over till it's over. I just want those who have given up on this season get ready for crow if we do in fact win the division. I've got my plate and fork ready if we are in fact done too. I havent given up on us winning the division. However, i do know our team sucks, either way. I wouldn't say they suck. I would just say that they really don't have the team to win a division. It's not talent, because they have plenty of that. They just haven't gelled, and we as a team have not gelled when the games actually meant something since 2000. If that's what you want to call sucking...I guess you can call it that. If they were in any other division, they wouldn't stand a chance(because they would get rolled up by the Yaanks, Red Sox, Mariners, and A's, and you can't put them in an NL division, because they probably would not have the same team that they do now). If we do win the division, it is because we are lucky, not sucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAVVY18 Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 we do have 14 games left with the Royals and Twinks. I have been saying all along that it is all going to come down to these 14 remaining games. If we do happen to get on a winning streak when we play these guys, we will win the division. If we don't, we won't. I do have to blame JM because there are managers out there doing more with less. If we don't get in, Hawk will be saying "HE GAWN" to JM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Well, at least Chicago has the Blackhawks! YEAH, THAT WAY WE CAN WATCH ANOTHER LIFELESS LETHARGIC TEAM LONG AFTER THE SOX ARE PLAYING GOLF IN FLORIDA. WELL, WE CAN WATCH THE ROAD GAMES ANYWAY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suffering-nomore-sox fan Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 Why isn't this thread being used anymore?? Oh that's right , 3 days later the Sox are in first place. Sox Fans , we better quit being so fair-weathered. Go Sox!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 Time to start a new thread titled: "Remove the fork from this team, but don't throw it away". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted August 21, 2003 Author Share Posted August 21, 2003 Why isn't this thread being used anymore?? Oh that's right , 3 days later the Sox are in first place. Sox Fans , we better quit being so fair-weathered. Go Sox!! You're kidding yourself if u think a 3 gm sweep over a depleted Angels team is sayin a whole lot. Don't forget the Royals have played the YANKEES the last 3 nights. I wouldn't be surprised if they swept us right outta NY... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 You're kidding yourself if u think a 3 gm sweep over a depleted Angels team is sayin a whole lot. Don't forget the Royals have played the YANKEES the last 3 nights. I wouldn't be surprised if they swept us right outta NY... I remember in 2000 when the yankees swept us in NY - we were behind 9-0 in the first inning on that Sun day game - yes, we are hopeless, we are losers, baby, why doesn't someone shoot us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted August 21, 2003 Author Share Posted August 21, 2003 I remember in 2000 when the yankees swept us in NY - we were behind 9-0 in the first inning on that Sun day game - yes, we are hopeless, we are losers, baby, why doesn't someone shoot us [email protected] if that makes u sleep better at night.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 [email protected] if that makes u sleep better at night.... it does make me sleep better! that way I don't have to be all negative and bitter and never able to enjoy the moment I like to imagine possibilities, not limit my thinging with negativities plus I've seen a lot, a lot of baseball and anything can happen so I will go with anything can happen rather than foreclosing all possibilities by presuming the worst for example, when I look at a new born baby, I say, "oh, a new life" I suspect some of our fans look at the same new born and say, "you will die someday, die. your end is death." Both things may be true. Lots of possibilities - why limit oneself to the painful side? And both positions are equally realistic. By the way, Jordan 4 Life 2003 - not sure I understand the name, what you are going for here. Sincere question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted August 21, 2003 Author Share Posted August 21, 2003 it does make me sleep better! that way I don't have to be all negative and bitter and never able to enjoy the moment I like to imagine possibilities, not limit my thinging with negativities plus I've seen a lot, a lot of baseball and anything can happen so I will go with anything can happen rather than foreclosing all possibilities by presuming the worst for example, when I look at a new born baby, I say, "oh, a new life" I suspect some of our fans look at the same new born and say, "you will die someday, die. your end is death." Both things may be true. Lots of possibilities - why limit oneself to the painful side? And both positions are equally realistic. By the way, Jordan 4 Life 2003 - not sure I understand the name, what you are going for here. Sincere question. Jordan4life means what it means...Michael Jordan fan 4 life. And as far as being positive. I would love to be. But this team has flopped too many times for me not to look at it both ways. I think we can handle Texas. But goin into ny. I would expect us to lose 2 outta 3. If they prove me wrong then great... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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