chw42 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 10:14 PM) Mariners going to protest this lol how can they even protest this? Even if the ball was caught, Wise would have scored easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 09:13 PM) He's been damn good lately outside of today, lets not overreact. And wow, interesting game to say the least. YAY WINS!!!!!!!!! I think he was clearly not ready....whatever. What a weird one. Can you imagine the Tigers watching this finish...haha!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 It only makes sense that that should have a protest filed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 10:16 PM) I think he was clearly not ready....whatever. What a weird one. Can you imagine the Tigers watching this finish...haha!!!! Yup, this can't be all on Reed. Robin has to be able to put his players in a position to succeed, like all managers, he managed that 9th inning so poorly, I don't even have words to describe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 10:16 PM) It only makes sense that that should have a protest filed. It's even more ridiculous than that Angels protest. Plus, even if MLB granted them the protest, what would happen? They'd have Konerko do a re-do? Bulls***. Clearly not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 According to the MLB rulebook: A CATCH is the act of a fielder in getting secure possession in his hand or glove of a ball in flight and firmly holding it; providing he does not use his cap, protector, pocket or any other part of his uniform in getting possession. It is not a catch, however, if simultaneously or immediately following his contact with the ball, he collides with a player, or with a wall, or if he falls down, and as a result of such collision or falling, drops the ball. It is not a catch if a fielder touches a fly ball which then hits a member of the offensive team or an umpire and then is caught by another defensive player. If the fielder has made the catch and drops the ball while in the act of making a throw following the catch, the ball shall be adjudged to have been caught. In establishing the validity of the catch, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball and that his release of the ball is voluntary and intentional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 09:17 PM) Yup, this can't be all on Reed. Robin has to be able to put his players in a position to succeed, like all managers, he managed that 9th inning so poorly, I don't even have words to describe it. Was Reed even warm? Talk about an overreaction to take out Humber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 10:17 PM) Yup, this can't be all on Reed. Robin has to be able to put his players in a position to succeed, like all managers, he managed that 9th inning so poorly, I don't even have words to describe it. Err as a closer that's exactly where Reed should have came in. Addy was god awful today but he'll be fine. EDIT: Ahh I see what you guys are saying, I retract the above statement. My apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2012 -> 04:16 AM) It only makes sense that that should have a protest filed. Nah...seemed like Wedge argued for about 5 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 11:18 PM) Err as a closer that's exactly where Reed should have came in. Addy was god awful today but he'll be fine. Problem was that there was no way Addy was ready to come in. But what else do you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Was Wise on second or third when PK got the "hit"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 10:17 PM) Yup, this can't be all on Reed. Robin has to be able to put his players in a position to succeed, like all managers, he managed that 9th inning so poorly, I don't even have words to describe it. I really don't think he did. Humber needs to grow a nut and get 3 outs. Veal, one pitch double to a .239 hitter. And reed walks two and gives up 5 runs. This one is on the players to me. Robin has had bad nights but I didn't think this was one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 11:19 PM) Nah...seemed like Wedge argued for about 5 seconds I just mean that's the appropriate ending to that 9th inning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 10:18 PM) It's even more ridiculous than that Angels protest. Plus, even if MLB granted them the protest, what would happen? They'd have Konerko do a re-do? Bulls***. Clearly not happening. Judgement calls are not protestable. There won't be a protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawksfan61 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 11:14 PM) Reed with the most ridiculous victory in the season. Poor Jake...can't blame him for not wanting to stick around next year with how consistently our bullpen and offense has screwed him over this year. And Wilhelmsen was great for most of this year. Inexplicable. That's why baseball is so great....it's like ABC's Wide World of Sports with Jim McKay in the last 10 minutes, thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. I am sure he will feel just fine sleeping on his mattress filled with $100 bills. Do you really thing the bullpen blowing games for him is going to be the reason why he leaves? It wouldn't have anything to do with some crazy team throwing 4 years of guaranteed money at him....nope....it will be because he is too devastated by our crummy bullpen to pitch another year in such squalor and filth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2012 -> 04:20 AM) Problem was that there was no way Addy was ready to come in. But what else do you do? I would have let Veal face their 1-2-3 (assuming Wells wasn't used to ph) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 09:18 PM) Was Reed even warm? Talk about an overreaction to take out Humber. That walk to Smoak was the key. Caused the overreaction by pulling Humber, then putting Veal in a situation he's not accustomed to (getting out righties). That hook that was barely high gets a strike call and we didn't all have to suffer heart palpitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 10:18 PM) According to the MLB rulebook: A CATCH is the act of a fielder in getting secure possession in his hand or glove of a ball in flight and firmly holding it; providing he does not use his cap, protector, pocket or any other part of his uniform in getting possession. It is not a catch, however, if simultaneously or immediately following his contact with the ball, he collides with a player, or with a wall, or if he falls down, and as a result of such collision or falling, drops the ball. It is not a catch if a fielder touches a fly ball which then hits a member of the offensive team or an umpire and then is caught by another defensive player. If the fielder has made the catch and drops the ball while in the act of making a throw following the catch, the ball shall be adjudged to have been caught. In establishing the validity of the catch, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball and that his release of the ball is voluntary and intentional. Okay, they definitely won't win this protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 That's the loudest sox scream I've had in ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 09:20 PM) I would have let Veal face their 1-2-3 (assuming Wells wasn't used to ph) So if Casper Wells PH, who would you have used? Crain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 09:21 PM) Okay, they definitely won't win this protest. When has ANY team in baseball ever had a protest upheld and the results of a previous game overturned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 10:20 PM) I really don't think he did. Humber needs to grow a nut and get 3 outs. Veal, one pitch double to a .239 hitter. And reed walks two and gives up 5 runs. This one is on the players to me. Robin has had bad nights but I didn't think this was one of them I agree. People complain about slow hooks, they complain about quick hooks. I personally like the quick hook. Humber wasn't good tonight. Veal gave up a hit to the only batter he faced and Reed didn't have it. I don't know how that's on Ventura, but a few people here know how to manage a lot better than he does, and after the fact, if what he does didn't work, they'll let you know their genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 09:17 PM) Yup, this can't be all on Reed. Robin has to be able to put his players in a position to succeed, like all managers, he managed that 9th inning so poorly, I don't even have words to describe it. I don't agree, but whatever. We could go around and around. I agreed with Humber getting the 9th. It was 7-2. He needed 3 frickin' outs against the Seattle Mariner offense. Not the toughest task in the world. Veal has been pretty good, oh well. He didn't get his man out. If he had, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And Reed is the closer. Tonight he didn't close very well, did he? He needed two outs. And he walked Ryan....wtf??? It's so easy to rag on a manager when the relievers can't get three guys out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapzk Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Ozzie > Ventura Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 09:21 PM) Okay, they definitely won't win this protest. He had that ball in his glove for a good 2-3 steps before the collision (just watched the replay 2-3 times). It won't be overturned, but it was a catch IMO. DEPENDS on the definition of "immediately following." Two or three strides with the ball, to me, isn't immediately following or simultaneously. Edited August 25, 2012 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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