Balta1701 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Floyd was pulled after 2 innings today. According to Hawk, he was pulled because of "Elbow Discomfort" (in his pitching arm). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Great news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 So Humber or Santiago Friday night in Detroit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 26, 2012 -> 04:04 PM) So Humber or Santiago Friday night in Detroit? Hope Hector but betting Humber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Oh, the Floydster has ED. Viagra might be the solution. Get well Gavin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Aug 26, 2012 -> 04:06 PM) Oh, the Floydster has ED. Viagra might be the solution. Get well Gavin. That explains why his stuff always comes and goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Ironic because we dearly need Gavin due to the way he's always pitched against the Tigers. Can we get Jose Contreras to sub in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 QUOTE (Brian @ Aug 26, 2012 -> 04:05 PM) Hope Hector but betting Humber. I do like Humber better in a huge ballpark like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Tigers with .720 team OPS against LHP, .781 against RHP. http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/batvspitch/_...6/philip-humber Humber has given up 2 homers to Cabrera and Boesch, 1 to Berry. 15/43, 1.112 OPS. NOT GOOD. http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/batvspitch/_...hector-santiago Hector Santiago Only 4/29 DET hitting against him, Dirks homer, .618 OPS Hector seems to be the pretty obvious choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 26, 2012 -> 05:42 PM) Ironic because we dearly need Gavin due to the way he's always pitched against the Tigers. Can we get Jose Contreras to sub in? Sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Is this actual injury or 'short leash' ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 26, 2012 -> 08:50 PM) Is this actual injury or 'short leash' ? It's legit, he had a solid 2nd inning. It's the same elbow that had a tendinitis issue in July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 QUOTE (Brian @ Aug 26, 2012 -> 09:05 PM) Hope Hector but betting Humber. Please no Humber. He simply can't beat a team like the Tigers. He'll get crushed. Hector might as well but he just might keep us in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 26, 2012 -> 08:52 PM) It's legit, he had a solid 2nd inning. It's the same elbow that had a tendinitis issue in July. this is turning out like Danks. We now know the reaso. he has been pitching poorly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Making it even more doubtful we'll pick up that 2013 option... Just too big of a risk, trying to trade him. Of course, the danger is having too many lefties with Danks, Sale, Quintana and ???/???. Santiago, Humber, Axelrod, Castro, Molina and Rienzo are all in the mix, one would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mataipaepae Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 26, 2012 -> 08:24 PM) Making it even more doubtful we'll pick up that 2013 option... Just too big of a risk, trying to trade him. Of course, the danger is having too many lefties with Danks, Sale, Quintana and ???/???. Santiago, Humber, Axelrod, Castro, Molina and Rienzo are all in the mix, one would think. Why its having too many lefties a problem? You can have 4 righties and that is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 It's been all too clear for a while that he's been pitching hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 QUOTE (mataipaepae @ Aug 26, 2012 -> 09:43 PM) Why its having too many lefties a problem? You can have 4 righties and that is fine. If you play the Rays 90 games/year then its great, but generally most teams have RH-heavy lineups and when you have 3+ lefties in a rotation it allows a RH-heavy lineup to focus on one side of the plate 2+ days in a row. If you're running out 4 Cy Young candidates with electric stuff then it probably doesn't matter, but for Danks and Quintana it would be an issue, and with Liriano's control issues it would be an issue for him as well. Managers like the R-L-R-L rotations just like they like those lineups with the idea being not to let anyone/any team get too comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 26, 2012 -> 09:24 PM) Making it even more doubtful we'll pick up that 2013 option... Just too big of a risk, trying to trade him. Of course, the danger is having too many lefties with Danks, Sale, Quintana and ???/???. Santiago, Humber, Axelrod, Castro, Molina and Rienzo are all in the mix, one would think. That's a pretty gruesome mix. Kenny does 1 of 2 things this offseason IMO: he continues adding youth (late September fade/quick postseason exit) or he tries to extend the window another year. If he goes the youth route then you'd have to think vets are traded & in those deals we end up adding much better pitching prospects to the equation, completely excluding Axelrod, Rienzo, etc. Or if Kenny goes for it, we'll add a vet or it'll be a good, relatively proven young guy like Quintana as the #5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 QUOTE (mataipaepae @ Aug 26, 2012 -> 07:43 PM) Why its having too many lefties a problem? You can have 4 righties and that is fine. Mainly because many 70% (that's a guess) of hitters are right handed and righties traditionally hit lefties better . So having too many lefty starters is worse than having too many righty starters just because of the lefty/righty hitting advantage. The only advantage you have with so many lefty starters is that some of the stronger teams have very good LH hitters but overall against all teams there's a disadvantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Aug 26, 2012 -> 10:05 PM) That's a pretty gruesome mix. Kenny does 1 of 2 things this offseason IMO: he continues adding youth (late September fade/quick postseason exit) or he tries to extend the window another year. If he goes the youth route then you'd have to think vets are traded & in those deals we end up adding much better pitching prospects to the equation, completely excluding Axelrod, Rienzo, etc. Or if Kenny goes for it, we'll add a vet or it'll be a good, relatively proven young guy like Quintana as the #5. Yep, subtracting Peavy/Floyd and the possibility for regression from Quintana makes things a bit scary, to say the least. Still, I'd rather tempt fate if we could retain Liriano somehow than with Floyd. There aren't very many trade candidates left that would net us much. Thornton and Crain wouldn't get us back any A level pitching prospect at this point. That would mean we would have to continue to turn the roster over and move Alexei Ramirez to get something quality back in return. You might be able to live with swapping out Flowers for AJ, but losing Youk, Ramirez and possibly replacing Beckham is going to be a huge turnover. That's why even though he's the most obvious weakness, moving Gordon at this point shouldn't be considered a Top 1/2/3 priority. The only other starter on the horizon would be Brett Myers, if he contract kicks in for 2013, but I can't believe KW would let that transpire. No way they can afford $10 million for a 7th/8th inning set-up guy with Thornton and Crain already making big dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Mainly because many 70% (that's a guess) of hitters are right handed and righties traditionally hit lefties better . So having too many lefty starters is worse than having too many righty starters just because of the lefty/righty hitting advantage. The only advantage you have with so many lefty starters is that some of the stronger teams have very good LH hitters but overall against all teams there's a disadvantage. Most LH hitters have more extreme platoon splits than RH hitters, not to mention that there are plenty of RH hitters who actually hit RH pitchers better. I don't remember which thread, but I looked up the platoon splits for this season and most of the playoff contenders as a team hit RH pitchers much better than LH pitchers, so I don't think having four lefty starters is a problem at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 26, 2012 -> 08:50 PM) Is this actual injury or 'short leash' ? You don't pull your started for a fake injury in the second inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 27, 2012 Author Share Posted August 27, 2012 Gavin likely to the DL, in case anyone didn't guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 So, does KW go with the guns he has, or is he looking at the waiver wire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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