Dick Allen Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 QUOTE (Caesar @ Aug 29, 2012 -> 07:09 PM) Has he ever played a full season? Now, that's a problem, but he still has better numbers than a lot of guys who get paid a lot of money who do play full seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 29, 2012 -> 07:10 PM) Now, that's a problem, but he still has better numbers than a lot of guys who get paid a lot of money who do play full seasons. To bad he is made out of china Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Beckham looks good tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Austin Jackson is constantly on base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 The problem is that Quentin has been 779, 821 and 839 those three years. Missing 63, 31 and 44 games. So the overall stats for the White Sox at that position invariably are going to be lower because there's naturally going to be a dropoff to a Jordan Danks or Wise or Pierre type of player, usually. -0.8, 0.1, 2.3 and 1.7 for WAR 2009-2012. When you factor in his salary and injury history...and Dayan's age, potential and salary, it was really a no-brainer. Not to mention that Dayan is much better defensively and has a plus arm from the outfield, which has really helped us a number of times, when you consider the likes of Pods and Pierre throwing from LF over the last decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Ump is squeezin him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Jackson stranded at 3rd for the Tigs. Cy Chen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Come on Dylan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Dammit. That's the LAST thing we needed to do there. Sigh. Solo homers, fine. Walks, HBP, etc. Not fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 29, 2012 -> 07:16 PM) The problem is that Quentin has been 779, 821 and 839 those three years. Missing 63, 31 and 44 games. So the overall stats for the White Sox at that position invariably are going to be lower because there's naturally going to be a dropoff to a Jordan Danks or Wise or Pierre type of player, usually. -0.8, 0.1, 2.3 and 1.7 for WAR 2009-2012. When you factor in his salary and injury history...and Dayan's age, potential and salary, it was really a no-brainer. Not to mention that Dayan is much better defensively and has a plus arm from the outfield, which has really helped us a number of times, when you consider the likes of Pods and Pierre throwing from LF over the last decade. When you factor in that Viciedo is a platoon player and the team is in a pennant race it's a deal I wish they had back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 29, 2012 -> 06:21 PM) When you factor in that Viciedo is a platoon player and the team is in a pennant race it's a deal I wish they had back. Then you live in a world where budgets don't matter and invariably you'd STILL be looking to replace Quentin now because he'd be injured. Both Viciedo and Quentin are extremely streaky hitters, and far from consistent. What did Carlos Quentin do at age 23 in the majors? I wish we hadn't signed John Danks for $65 million, I think that's a TAD bit more impactful than Quentin vs. Viciedo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Couldve been alot worse if Gavin was pitching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 29, 2012 -> 06:21 PM) When you factor in that Viciedo is a platoon player and the team is in a pennant race it's a deal I wish they had back. So was DeAza for much of his career...until he suddenly wasn't at age 28 in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) Indians pulling off one of the all-time classic fades in the history of the game. Down 3-2 to the A's again. Seems they get swept nearly every series out. Bleak, bleak, bleak future there. And somehow the Rays have scored 6 already against the Rangers...hmmm. Getting Longoria back has revitalized that line-up, although they've struggled the last week overall. Edited August 30, 2012 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 29, 2012 -> 07:24 PM) Then you live in a world where budgets don't matter and invariably you'd STILL be looking to replace Quentin now because he'd be injured. Both Viciedo and Quentin are extremely streaky hitters, and far from consistent. What did Carlos Quentin do at age 23 in the majors? I wish we hadn't signed John Danks for $65 million, I think that's a TAD bit more impactful than Quentin vs. Viciedo. Caufield you are Viciedo's biggest supporter, you have to be disappointed with the numbers he has put up the last 3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Is Hawk really trying to talk attendance and crowds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 29, 2012 -> 06:27 PM) Caufield you are Viciedo's biggest supporter, you have to be disappointed with the numbers he has put up the last 3 months. I'm not happy, he hasn't learned to consistently cut down his swing and drive fastballs up the middle and to RF (he'll do it for 2-3-4 games and then revert to old habits)...he's also made weak contact (same as Alexei's issues) and pulled balls to 3B and SS for easy outs or DP's. A lot of it is pitch selection and recognition, getting himself out, swinging at balls of the zone and expanding strike zone...being in-between on the fastball and offspeed stuff, like Dunn was for all of 2011. Still, when Dayan and Flowers do square up the ball, there's not 2 stronger hitters in the AL... And Hernandez did lead to Liriano, which might end up saving our season with Gavin and Danks out and Humber/Santiago not exactly trustworthy options. Edited August 30, 2012 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Im all for letting Axelrod into the rotation next year and getting rid of Floyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 QUOTE (Caesar @ Aug 29, 2012 -> 07:31 PM) Is Hawk really trying to talk attendance and crowds? Hawk and Stoney are in the dark ages when it comes to MLB attendance and revenues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 29, 2012 -> 06:37 PM) Hawk and Stoney are in the dark ages when it comes to MLB attendance and revenues. Stone is one of the smartest guys at 35th and Shields. Don't let his casual attitude fool you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 29, 2012 -> 07:37 PM) Hawk and Stoney are in the dark ages when it comes to MLB attendance and revenues. He was actually saying about how he cant believe the size of the crowds for the first 2 games of this series with Baltimore only 3 games behing NY and with the way they are playing. We are in first place, have been for awhile. The teams plays hard and can't sell out Sox park. They shouldnt even talk about crowd size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 QUOTE (Caesar @ Aug 29, 2012 -> 07:35 PM) Im all for letting Axelrod into the rotation next year and getting rid of Floyd. If they fail to make the playoffs this year, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 29, 2012 -> 07:39 PM) If they fail to make the playoffs this year, maybe. Why maybe and why not let him in even if they make the playoffs? Floyds time has come and gone. Edited August 30, 2012 by Caesar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 QUOTE (Caesar @ Aug 29, 2012 -> 06:35 PM) Im all for letting Axelrod into the rotation next year and getting rid of Floyd. Dylan's also going to have to have perfect command or he'll get blistered by opposing hitters. He's had these games like tonight or against the Red Sox where he's really manned up and thrown very well..and others where you think he's another Terry Doyle and organizational filler with his lack of stuff. We've also got Humber...it does seem that it would be better to part ways with Floyd. Castro and Molina will also figure into that equation for 2013, and possibly Rienzo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 29, 2012 -> 07:41 PM) Dylan's also going to have to have perfect command or he'll get blistered by opposing hitters. He's had these games like tonight or against the Red Sox where he's really manned up and thrown very well..and others where you think he's another Terry Doyle and organizational filler with his lack of stuff. We've also got Humber...it does seem that it would be better to part ways with Floyd. Castro and Molina will also figure into that equation for 2013, and possibly Rienzo. I just like this kid. He looks like he has no fear. Even when he gets into a little trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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