Hawkins promoted to Winston-Salem

[Chicago White Sox]

Can't wait for a Beckham type 1B /not sure if serious

You want KW to trade for Justin Smoak?

[Jake]

You want KW to trade for Justin Smoak?

 

[thxfrthmmrs]

Nothing to see here. Brady Shoemaker was promoted to Triple A Charlotte at the end of the season after playing the whole season in Bristol a few years back. It's only a temporary move to get those guys some playing time. On top of that, Thompson has struggled mightily in Double A the past 5 games or so. It's almost a guarantee that Thompson will start next season in Double A and Hawkins will be in Kanny for a few months as well.

Edited August 30, 2012 by thxfrthmmrs

[southsider2k5]

Nothing to see here. Brady Shoemaker was promoted to Triple A Charlotte at the end of the season after playing the whole season in Bristol a few years back. It's only a temporary move to get those guys some playing time. On top of that, Thompson has struggled mightily in Double A the past 5 games or so. It's almost a guarantee that Thompson will start next season in Double A and Hawkins will be in Kanny for a few months as well.

 

That is really micro-sampling things.

[southsider2k5]

Must be that simple. Thanks for enlightening us.

 

So how dense do you have to be to get told "this is only for playoff experience" and hear "we are sending you to AAA next year for sure"?

[thxfrthmmrs]

That is really micro-sampling things.

 

That is the last 5 games out of the 14 games he played in AA where he struggled. But the point I am trying to make is that he is not ready for AAA, and it's apparent. He would basically jump from A to AAA if the promotion is long term.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

Nothing to see here. Brady Shoemaker was promoted to Triple A Charlotte at the end of the season after playing the whole season in Bristol a few years back. It's only a temporary move to get those guys some playing time. On top of that, Thompson has struggled mightily in Double A the past 5 games or so. It's almost a guarantee that Thompson will start next season in Double A and Hawkins will be in Kanny for a few months as well.

 

That is the last 5 games out of the 14 games he played in AA where he struggled. But the point I am trying to make is that he is not ready for AAA, and it's apparent. He would basically jump from A to AAA if the promotion is long term.

 

We're comparing Thompson's promotion to Shoemaker's cup of coffee? Not really comparable players in terms of development, at all. And 5 games to make a determination? That makes it "apparent" that he's not ready?

 

[southsider2k5]

That is the last 5 games out of the 14 games he played in AA where he struggled. But the point I am trying to make is that he is not ready for AAA, and it's apparent. He would basically jump from A to AAA if the promotion is long term.

 

The only way it is long term is if he comes into spring training and hits enough to make the Sox put him there. The plan is to get him post season experience, which is exactly what Buddy Bell said about it.

[thxfrthmmrs]

The only way it is long term is if he comes into spring training and hits enough to make the Sox put him there. The plan is to get him post season experience, which is exactly what Buddy Bell said about it.

 

Right, that's what I am saying, he hasn't proved that he's ready. It will be a temporary move.

[thxfrthmmrs]

We're comparing Thompson's promotion to Shoemaker's cup of coffee? Not really comparable players in terms of development, at all. And 5 games to make a determination? That makes it "apparent" that he's not ready?

 

So what are you saying? Thompson is ready for Triple A?

[NorthSideSox72]

So what are you saying? Thompson is ready for Triple A?

No, I'm saying you don't know if he is or not. His numbers say he may or may not be, sort of hard to tell.

 

But more so, I'm saying... what I said. Drawing conclusions from any 5 games is a bit ridiclous, one way or the other. And Shoemaker's promotion last year and this one for Thompson are not being done for the same reasons.

 

[thxfrthmmrs]

No, I'm saying you don't know if he is or not. His numbers say he may or may not be, sort of hard to tell.

 

But more so, I'm saying... what I said. Drawing conclusions from any 5 games is a bit ridiclous, one way or the other. And Shoemaker's promotion last year and this one for Thompson are not being done for the same reasons.

 

 

I don't think you are getting the point. IF Thompson had been on a tear for all 14 of his games in Double AA, then an actual promotion to Triple A might be logical. But he played well for the first 8 or 9 games, then came back down to earth for the past 5 games, I am telling you that you don't actually promote him at this point, because he hasn't shown that he can make adjustment to the Double A pitching yet.

 

Thompson might be closer to Triple A than Shoemaker was a few years back. In Shoemaker's instance, he was promoted to get some more playing time at the end of the season. It will be the same case for Thompson. I am telling you that the Sox has a history of using this tactic in the past, but they aren't actually promoting the players long term.

 

Unless you truly believe Thompson is ready and this move is long term, then I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

[scenario]

Thompson's performance in the Arizona Fall League, instructional camps, and spring training will determine where he starts next year.

 

 

[NorthSideSox72]

I don't think you are getting the point. IF Thompson had been on a tear for all 14 of his games in Double AA, then an actual promotion to Triple A might be logical. But he played well for the first 8 or 9 games, then came back down to earth for the past 5 games, I am telling you that you don't actually promote him at this point, because he hasn't shown that he can make adjustment to the Double A pitching yet.

 

Thompson might be closer to Triple A than Shoemaker was a few years back. In Shoemaker's instance, he was promoted to get some more playing time at the end of the season. It will be the same case for Thompson. I am telling you that the Sox has a history of using this tactic in the past, but they aren't actually promoting the players long term.

 

Unless you truly believe Thompson is ready and this move is long term, then I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

I'm arguing because I think you are misunderstanding how the evaluations work in these situations. 5 games or 14 games, whatever it is, in that small a scale, the numbers tell you very little. Its about how he looks there, and how ready he looks. It is also about getting him some high end post-season experience. The numbers he put up in some given 5 games, or even 14 games, doesn't really tell you enough by itself to be meaningful. That is what I am trying to tell you.

 

[thxfrthmmrs]

I'm arguing because I think you are misunderstanding how the evaluations work in these situations. 5 games or 14 games, whatever it is, in that small a scale, the numbers tell you very little. Its about how he looks there, and how ready he looks. It is also about getting him some high end post-season experience. The numbers he put up in some given 5 games, or even 14 games, doesn't really tell you enough by itself to be meaningful. That is what I am trying to tell you.

 

 

I am sorry, but most of the daily prospection evaluations on this board is done through numbers. Why are you suggesting something here that no one has information on? Unless you are a scout or you watch all of Thompson's games, you wouldn't know "how ready he looks." Everyone who knows a thing about baseball knows that scouting in person is better than scouting by numbers, I don't think you need to tell me that. But the closest thing we have to scouting is how players make adjustment at a new level. Thompson's last 5 games suggests that Double A pitchers have made adjustments to him, but he hasn't made adjustments yet to the pitching. And yes, I, along with most other posters, am aware that this is a move for Thompson to get more playing time and playoff experience. That's why I said this isn't a long term promotion.

Edited August 30, 2012 by thxfrthmmrs

[ptatc]

I am sorry, but most of the daily prospection evaluations on this board is done through numbers. Why are you suggesting something here that no one has information on? Unless you are a scout or you watch all of Thompson's games, you wouldn't know "how ready he looks." Everyone who knows a thing about baseball knows that scouting in person is better than scouting by numbers, I don't think you need to tell me that. But the closest thing we have to scouting is how players make adjustment at a new level. Thompson's last 5 games suggests that Double A pitchers have made adjustments to him, but he hasn't made adjustments yet to the pitching. And yes, I, along with most other posters, am aware that this is a move for Thompson to get more playing time and playoff experience. That's why I said this isn't a long term promotion.

Now begins the next war of the old time scouts vs. SABRmetrics people.

[NorthSideSox72]

I am sorry, but most of the daily prospection evaluations on this board is done through numbers. Why are you suggesting something here that no one has information on? Unless you are a scout or you watch all of Thompson's games, you wouldn't know "how ready he looks." Everyone who knows a thing about baseball knows that scouting in person is better than scouting by numbers, I don't think you need to tell me that. But the closest thing we have to scouting is how players make adjustment at a new level. Thompson's last 5 games suggests that Double A pitchers have made adjustments to him, but he hasn't made adjustments yet to the pitching. And yes, I, along with most other posters, am aware that this is a move for Thompson to get more playing time and playoff experience. That's why I said this isn't a long term promotion.

I've been trying to say, I don't know how ready he is. And neither do you. The numbers are just too small a sample size to be useful. That's all I'm saying. You seemed to declare, based on those numbers, that he wasn't ready. I am disagreeing with you.

 

[Jake]

There is a little you can learn from 15 games' numbers. There is a lot more you can learn by watching the games and I assume our scouts did that. If he looked like he could clearly compete at that level, 5 worse games or not, then he must be have looked like he could hit AAA pitching. If a guy had to put up good numbers and a valid sample size at every level, lots of players would be wasting times at too low of levels. You just have to trust the guys getting paid to do this.

[Balta1701]

There is a little you can learn from 15 games' numbers. There is a lot more you can learn by watching the games and I assume our scouts did that. If he looked like he could clearly compete at that level, 5 worse games or not, then he must be have looked like he could hit AAA pitching. If a guy had to put up good numbers and a valid sample size at every level, lots of players would be wasting times at too low of levels. You just have to trust the guys getting paid to do this.

I'd bet that no matter what their eye tests saw, none of this would be going down if the Knights didn't have playoffs and the Sox were out of the race. It's pushing an inordinate number of roster moves and so now everyone's getting promoted to crazy spots to cover those positions.

[thxfrthmmrs]

I'd bet that no matter what their eye tests saw, none of this would be going down if the Knights didn't have playoffs and the Sox were out of the race. It's pushing an inordinate number of roster moves and so now everyone's getting promoted to crazy spots to cover those positions.

 

Exactly.

 

Given Thompson is one of the prized prospects in our farm, the Sox would want to be cautious with him and give him more time to develop. But in this circumstance, he was the most logical prospect to get promoted to cover roster spots. In any case, 15 games isn't enough for anyone to prove that he's too good for that level from a stats or scouting evalution, especially given Thompson's track record for strikeouts. Unless Thompson goes Mike Trout next spring training, he will be back in Double A.

[scenario]

Exactly.

 

Given Thompson is one of the prized prospects in our farm, the Sox would want to be cautious with him and give him more time to develop. But in this circumstance, he was the most logical prospect to get promoted to cover roster spots. In any case, 15 games isn't enough for anyone to prove that he's too good for that level from a stats or scouting evalution, especially given Thompson's track record for strikeouts. Unless Thompson goes Mike Trout next spring training, he will be back in Double A.

 

Don't forget he's playing in the AFL this fall.

That's another 30 games of AAA level competition heavily watched by scouts.

 

 

[danman31]

Don't forget he's playing in the AFL this fall.

That's another 30 games of AAA level competition heavily watched by scouts.

It's more like AA, but it's a mixed bag.

[scenario]

It's more like AA, but it's a mixed bag.

 

Somewhere in between maybe.

 

 

[GoodAsGould]

Somewhere in between maybe.

 

More talent than AAA but doesn't have all the veterans who have the experience.

[Balta1701]

More talent than AAA but doesn't have all the veterans who have the experience.

Pitching's a bit lower quality since the real top pitching talent doesn't go to the AFL most years. The AFL winds up getting pitchers who missed part of the year for some reason. Guys who worked a full year aren't going to go tax their arm more.

 

Rienzo is a great example.