southsideirish71 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 08:39 PM) If this is true, who here thinks the Sox can keep their focus and finish the season strong? Something that does hurt if he's out is having to make Flowers face 3 or 4 very tough righties against the Tigers next week. The pitchers like Flowers as a receiver and calling pitches behind the plate. His defense is pretty good and has some pop in his bat. I think with regular ABs he can start to get better. He is no where near what AJ is. But here is another though. Maybe the way the sox have played in the last week or so is playing tight knowing that this was coming down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 If you really want to know whether or not this is true, find out where AJ is. If he's having a suspension announced tomorrow, then he's cleaned out his locker and left town. If he's out somewhere in Chicago, then no way he's getting suspended starting tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 02:43 AM) The pitchers like Flowers as a receiver and calling pitches behind the plate. His defense is pretty good and has some pop in his bat. I think with regular ABs he can start to get better. He is no where near what AJ is. But here is another though. Maybe the way the sox have played in the last week or so is playing tight knowing that this was coming down. Absolutely, and on August 22nd when Colon was busted, I thought Konerko's comments about PEDs was very interesting. He said something along the lines of "people sometimes take things they didn't know could get them in trouble". To me, it raised some red flags and being the pessimist I am, it worried me someone on the Sox could be in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 08:39 PM) If we knew every member of the 05 Sox that was on something, we'd probably cry. Well maybe not cry, but you know what I mean. It's still rampant. They aren't as potent as they used to be with 55-70 homers, but guys still want to risk it. For me, I still want the Sox to win, but this would take away some enjoyment. So many WS winners are teams with many players having careers years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 06:46 PM) Absolutely, and on August 22nd when Colon was busted, I thought Konerko's comments about PEDs was very interesting. He said something along the lines of "people sometimes take things they didn't know could get them in trouble". To me, it raised some red flags and being the pessimist I am, it worried me someone on the Sox could be in trouble. That certainly wouldn't bode well for the final 26 games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (Cali @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 01:48 AM) That certainly wouldn't bode well for the final 26 games... Well, AJ hasn't contributed anything the past two weeks or so. Hey Tyler, if you want the starting job next year, the table is set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Here is a good counter argument : http://majorleagueaholes.com/2012/08/29/why-aj-is-clean/ His doubles are way down. Also don't forget his 2011 ended early because of injury. But that gave him more time to get ready for 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 6, 2012 Author Share Posted September 6, 2012 If this happens, I really hope he doesn't play the, "I took a supplement that I didn't know had X in it" card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 01:45 AM) If you really want to know whether or not this is true, find out where AJ is. If he's having a suspension announced tomorrow, then he's cleaned out his locker and left town. If he's out somewhere in Chicago, then no way he's getting suspended starting tomorrow. That's probably true, but not necessarily. I think Melky had a press conference to apologize, didn't he? Unless it was a statement he issued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:00 PM) Here is a good counter argument : http://majorleagueaholes.com/2012/08/29/why-aj-is-clean/ His doubles are way down. Also don't forget his 2011 ended early because of injury. But that gave him more time to get ready for 2012. Sounds like something a fan would write. It's not impossible for AJ to put up those numbers. A lot has to do with how other guys are hitting in the order. For all we know AJ might be suspended for something going on between him and an umpire or some unsportsmanlike infraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:21 PM) Sounds like something a fan would write. It's not impossible for AJ to put up those numbers. A lot has to do with how other guys are hitting in the order. For all we know AJ might be suspended for something going on between him and an umpire or some unsportsmanlike infraction. Or gambling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) This wouldn't affect whether or not I want the team in the postseason or not, the 40-50% using estimate that re-surfaced in the last few pages is spot on if I had to take an (uneducated) guess. It's just the fact that it's happening to one of your guys, not one of your guys like Ozuna (or a stellar but otherwise faceless bullpen that was pretty much a myth a week into the next season)- a vital part of the team since he came here. I'd imagine anyone would prefer to be blissfully oblivious to something of this nature. It's a pretty ugly end to what could have been a great run. For me, I'd rather watch him hit .096 and be demoted to backup than to go out like this. Still, realistically there was going to be one last chance at a payday in his career. I suppose one could look at it that way and think about how they would act if presented with that reality... Edited September 6, 2012 by Swingandalongonetoleft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:18 PM) That's probably true, but not necessarily. I think Melky had a press conference to apologize, didn't he? Unless it was a statement he issued. Probably scheduled so his team could pimp all the fake websites he bought. I still can't get over that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:18 PM) That's probably true, but not necessarily. I think Melky had a press conference to apologize, didn't he? Unless it was a statement he issued. lol there was a lot more going on with the melky incident. the whole website thing is hilarious Edited September 6, 2012 by Real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (Real @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 08:52 PM) lol there was a lot more going on with the melky incident. the whole website thing is hilarious AJ did play today. If he knew that he was going to suspended then wouldn't he had acted differently or acknowledged The crowd in any way. I didn't see the game. Did he do anything differently? Also wouldn't jr/kw/rv bench aj or any other player if they knew a suspension was coming the next day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 There are a lot of very naive people in this thread, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 10:26 PM) There are a lot of very naive people in this thread, sadly. Please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 10:25 PM) AJ did play today. If he knew that he was going to suspended then wouldn't he had acted differently or acknowledged The crowd in any way. I didn't see the game. Did he do anything differently? Also wouldn't jr/kw/rv bench aj or any other player if they knew a suspension was coming the next day? I don't think you do much of anything until the info is public. You have to give him a chance to appeal and you have to give yourself the best chance to win within the rules. We've also seen a bit more of T-Flow lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 08:13 PM) Ok I'll say it. If this is true I don't want to make the playoffs this year. Worst post ever. You have no idea who is or isn't using steroids across the league, yet you want to punish 24 innocent (as far as we know) people for a bad decision made by one teammate. I've never quite understood your position on steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Congrats Balta, you made the WORST POST EVER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 10:31 PM) Please explain. Don't crucify the guys who have gotten caught, because they are simply the unlucky/careless ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 10:37 PM) Don't crucify the guys who have gotten caught, because they are simply the unlucky/careless ones. Oh ok, just didn't know what you meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 I think the guys who get caught certainly deserve some ire, but we all just have to keep in mind that those folks are by no means alone. I actually enjoy Victor Conte's views on the subject, he explained to me via Twitter one day exactly how an MLB player could get around the steroid testing. He also said "The Clear" still wouldn't cause a positive in many organizations (can't recall if MLB was one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 All these former Bay Area guys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 10:37 PM) Congrats Balta, you made the WORST POST EVER! Sometimes you got to be a dick to make a point, but in all honesty, I can't comprehend how one could chear against their team over this. If the entire team had committed some god awful act, then sure I'd probably root against them. But over one guy using steroids or some other banned substance? No way in hell, not when every other team likely has their own guys doing some form of cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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