Jake Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 If nothing is announced tomorrow, do we forget it? Or is it still looming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 08:37 PM) Don't crucify the guys who have gotten caught, because they are simply the unlucky/careless ones. They are still the one's caught and they should be crucified. They cheated. Just cause others are getting away with it, doesn't mean that if someone tests positively for PEDS, they shouldn't be booed for the rest of their career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 If this is true then good on AJ for trying. It's a shame he got caught but after Melky and braun there's not doubt in my mind that this is running rampant in the league again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) If there are two categories of PED users: 1) guys who know how to work the system and not get caught 2) guys who are careless or Dumb and have a chance of being caught Wouldn't AJ be in category 1 if he was hypothetically using PEDs Actually most catchers are pretty smart. Cannot remember any catchers being tied to PEDs/steroids/etc. And I haven't heard anything about a press conference Tomorrow. Edited September 6, 2012 by sunofgold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 On a sidenote, if true, next man up. Flowers has done a good job as a backup this year. Defensively he's solid and he's been calling good games and offensively, he's looking better as he's gotten more AB's. I still think Flowers has a shot to be a solid starting catcher in this league and if AJ did in fact get busted, then Flowers is going to get a hell of an opportunity here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (kev211 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:01 PM) If this is true then good on AJ for trying. It's a shame he got caught but after Melky and braun there's not doubt in my mind that this is running rampant in the league again. I don't know. It would seem that at least a greater chunk of players are getting caught. I don't know if testing is getting better or if players just think they can get away with it. I also won't be surprised when they make the penalties harsher in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 11:00 PM) They are still the one's caught and they should be crucified. They cheated. Just cause others are getting away with it, doesn't mean that if someone tests positively for PEDS, they shouldn't be booed for the rest of their career. Couldn't disagree more. The guys who are using and getting away with it are ok and we can still root for them, but the guys who get caught are evil and should be ostracized? Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 11:20 PM) Couldn't disagree more. The guys who are using and getting away with it are ok and we can still root for them, but the guys who get caught are evil and should be ostracized? Ok. It's the same way with the law. We know we are among undetected criminals, but we aren't a dick to everyone just in case they're a criminal. No, we just focus on those that are caught. It's the only way to do it that doesn't make the innocent catch s*** they don't deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 11:29 PM) It's the same way with the law. We know we are among undetected criminals, but we aren't a dick to everyone just in case they're a criminal. No, we just focus on those that are caught. It's the only way to do it that doesn't make the innocent catch s*** they don't deserve. Except these criminals are harming innocent people. Players using PEDs aren't harming anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:20 PM) Couldn't disagree more. The guys who are using and getting away with it are ok and we can still root for them, but the guys who get caught are evil and should be ostracized? Ok. Look, I don't know who is using. But that doesn't mean those that do get caught should get a free pass because others are getting away with it. Should we not punish people just because other people get away with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:30 PM) Except these criminals are harming innocent people. Players using PEDs aren't harming anyone else. They are harming those players who aren't using? If your success is solely related to drugs, then you are taking the spot of another player who could be up at the majors making that paycheck (without cheating). If I was a clean player, I'd be livid. And from everything I've heard and can tell, the majority of players are clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 11:31 PM) They are harming those players who aren't using? If your success is solely related to drugs, then you are taking the spot of another player who could be up at the majors making that paycheck (without cheating). If I was a clean player, I'd be livid. And from everything I've heard, there are still plenty of people in baseball that are clean. I suppose I'm far more cynical on the subject than most. But it's based off of what I know, what I've seen and what I've been told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:33 PM) I suppose I'm far more cynical on the subject than most. But it's based off of what I know, what I've seen and what I've been told. A few years ago, I had been told the majority was juicing. From everything I've been told the numbers have been drastically reduced. Still not to where it is perfect and there is probably on average 2-3 guys per 25 man roster using, but that is down significantly from what I had always heard the use was. And this is still all speculation based upon what I've heard from various people within the majors/minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 It hurts me. I hold baseball, my team, and my team's players in very high regard. My propensity as a fan and lover of the game is to romanticize the game and those in it. It sucks when my heroes are publicly humiliated, especially when it is for cheating. For that reason alone I should be allowed to be mad at AJ if I want. I know that we are supposed to just see these guys as flawed human beings, yada yada. I don't care much about their personal lives if they want to be flawed husbands, fathers, friends, etc. This is a form of entertainment, and the nice thing about entertainment is that it often gives us something purer or simpler than reality. I support efforts to keep the on-field game from being corrupted, even if I generally think steroids are not morally offensive at this point it is still a performance advantage that others will not enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 My friends and I have talked ALL SEASON, wondering aloud about this very subject. If this rumor turns out to be true, I would be 110% not surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 10:31 PM) They are harming those players who aren't using? If your success is solely related to drugs, then you are taking the spot of another player who could be up at the majors making that paycheck (without cheating). If I was a clean player, I'd be livid. And from everything I've heard and can tell, the majority of players are clean. It's also cheating to gain more income. Costs are always passed on to the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 There is another angle to this story. The Hawk Harrelson angle. We do know that AJ and hawk have some connection. And AJ's mom has a last name of Harrelson (learned this on another thread on this website). Some speculated that AJ and Hawk are related. not sure. Hawk did help to get KW to sign AJ in '05 as a free agent. Has the Hawk sounded sad or acting/announcing differently the last few games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 12:12 AM) There is another angle to this story. The Hawk Harrelson angle. We do know that AJ and hawk have some connection. And AJ's mom has a last name of Harrelson (learned this on another thread on this website). Some speculated that AJ and Hawk are related. not sure. Hawk did help to get KW to sign AJ in '05 as a free agent. Has the Hawk sounded sad or acting/announcing differently the last few games? lol idk, he LEFT the booth before the end of Tuesday's drubbing If this stuff turns out to be true, I will be very interested in how Hawk addresses it if at all. I assume he will since it would be harder not to do it than to simply acknowledge it, even if he doesn't offer a real opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 I don't buy it. If it were true it would have been broken by a major media outlet by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 11:14 PM) lol idk, he LEFT the booth before the end of Tuesday's drubbing If this stuff turns out to be true, I will be very interested in how Hawk addresses it if at all. I assume he will since it would be harder not to do it than to simply acknowledge it, even if he doesn't offer a real opinion. I forgot what Hawk's stance is on PEDs. I am guessing that he against it bc they didn't use back in the day. Only alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 BTW, the link is no longer accessible to the public at WSI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 08:39 PM) If this is true, who here thinks the Sox can keep their focus and finish the season strong? Something that does hurt if he's out is having to make Flowers face 3 or 4 very tough righties against the Tigers next week. If this is true I don't think there's any chance they make the playoffs. Focus is gone, big part of the team gone...everything unravels from here. It could have unraveled anyway, but this would put an end to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 12:24 AM) If this is true I don't think there's any chance they make the playoffs. Focus is gone, big part of the team gone...everything unravels from here. It could have unraveled anyway, but this would put an end to it. This is a likely ending, but it's possible that it gets twisted the opposite direction and motivates the hell out of everyone. Maybe they hated him and will be happy he's gone I also have to wonder if this isn't even a drop in the bucket of absurd things an MLB player may deal with on a daily basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 grobstein made a shoutout to WSI on the air, no mention of soxtalk though it was hilarious because he was being asked by a caller to show some online sources of this rumor and Les mentioned WSI but couldn't find the link lmao it's because WSI removed public viewing of that thread, so afaik soxtalk is the only site that allows non-public viewing of this discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Other (Sox) boards do too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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