CyAcosta41 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (Rooftop Shots @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 07:35 AM) and the fact that to opposing pitchers PK no longer seems to be a dangerous threat anymore. How many clutch situations were there where we really needed some runs........... has he come through without hitting some weak sqibber to the shortstop, or a lazy fly ball? the first half.............he was dangerous to the opposition because they knew that he was going to hit it HARD someplace. Now......solid hard contact out of him in key situations is horrible. If we are going to have a chance at this thing we need the PK back that we know him to be Exactly. Everyone always talks about the benefits of pitching with confidence. Against guys like Cabrera, Pujols, Trout, Konerko when healthy, pitchers justifiably feared these hitters, couldn't muster any sort of real confidence, and tightened-up and nibbled which screwed with their control and hurt their stuff. Half of the damage was done by these fearsome hitters the moment they set-up in the batter's box! Unfortunately, it's difficult not to be a Debbie-Downer about this, but I suspect that the reasons PK isn't the REAL PK isn't because he's slumping or out of synch. It's because he's hurt. Hurt at the level where he can swing a bat, but not with nearly the talent and ability a healthy PK brings to the plate. And it's circular because by playing hurt (only he knows how limited he really might be right now) he's also keeping himself out of synch as well. But it all starts with being hurt. Everything I see in his set-up, his swing, and his "need to cheat on a pitch" suggests that he's currently damaged goods. If this is so, then we're simply not going to have that REAL PK back this year, no matter how much we hope we do. Now how about some of the non-damaged hitters step-up and take their game up a notch or two? For El Capitan??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 09:12 AM) Would sale be in line for 163 if he moved back? No. There are no more off days. Sox-- at Min Sale, Quintana, Peavy vs Det Floyd at KC 5th starter, Sale, Quintana at LAA Peavy, Floyd, 5th starter vs Cle Sale, Quintana, Peavy vs TB Floyd, 5th starter, Sale, Quintana at Cle Peavy, Floyd, 5th starter at Det Sale Tigers: at Cle Verlander, Sanchez, Porcello at Chi Fister vs Oak Scherzer, Verlander, Sanchez vs Min Porcello, Fister, Scherzer vs KC Verlander, Sanchez, Porcello, Fister at Min Scherzer, Verlander, Sanchez at KC Porcello, Fister, Scherzer vs Chi Verlander Edited September 14, 2012 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 20 games left and a one game lead in my opinion means you play for wins and not match ups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 02:16 PM) Exactly. Everyone always talks about the benefits of pitching with confidence. Against guys like Cabrera, Pujols, Trout, Konerko when healthy, pitchers justifiably feared these hitters, couldn't muster any sort of real confidence, and tightened-up and nibbled which screwed with their control and hurt their stuff. Half of the damage was done by these fearsome hitters the moment they set-up in the batter's box! Unfortunately, it's difficult not to be a Debbie-Downer about this, but I suspect that the reasons PK isn't the REAL PK isn't because he's slumping or out of synch. It's because he's hurt. Hurt at the level where he can swing a bat, but not with nearly the talent and ability a healthy PK brings to the plate. And it's circular because by playing hurt (only he knows how limited he really might be right now) he's also keeping himself out of synch as well. But it all starts with being hurt. Everything I see in his set-up, his swing, and his "need to cheat on a pitch" suggests that he's currently damaged goods. If this is so, then we're simply not going to have that REAL PK back this year, no matter how much we hope we do. Now how about some of the non-damaged hitters step-up and take their game up a notch or two? For El Capitan??? Hawk flat out said it the other night. He said Hawk was hurt. It's pretty sad the writers can't let us know what is going on. Does Cowley write about the Sox any more? He seems to have gone away. He could at least have gotten to the bottom of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 01:42 PM) Hawk flat out said it the other night. He said Hawk was hurt. It's pretty sad the writers can't let us know what is going on. Does Cowley write about the Sox any more? He seems to have gone away. He could at least have gotten to the bottom of this. Cowley's only way to get to the bottom of anything about the Sox is currently coaching in Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 12:42 PM) Hawk flat out said it the other night. He said Hawk was hurt. It's pretty sad the writers can't let us know what is going on. Does Cowley write about the Sox any more? He seems to have gone away. He could at least have gotten to the bottom of this. The Chicago sports media is pretty awful when it comes to breaking stories. You have a better chance at finding out things from out of market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I think Sale should pitch tonight, but I also want to say that if the Sox DO happen to jump out to a large lead early, I'm talking like 7-0 in the 4th or something, I would go ahead and pull Sale. I wouldn't have him thrown 100+ pitches in a blowout win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 12:50 PM) I think Sale should pitch tonight, but I also want to say that if the Sox DO happen to jump out to a large lead early, I'm talking like 7-0 in the 4th or something, I would go ahead and pull Sale. I wouldn't have him thrown 100+ pitches in a blowout win. They aren't going to pull Sale that early. And why not 5 innings to get the win. And if you pull a starter early and then the other teams comebacks then that would look and feel very bad. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 The Score just said "Floyd was scheduled, however it now says TBA." Not sure what source they were referencing, but apparently it may be up in the air a bit now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Liriano - Saturday Peavy - Sunday Quintana - Monday vs. Detroit Floyd - Tuesday vs. KC Confirmed by Robin via multiple Twitter sources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) Good. Now it won't be Liriano for Game 162. at Min Sale, Liriano, Peavy vs Det Quintana at KC Floyd, Sale, Liriano at LAA Peavy, Quintana, Floyd vs Cle Sale, Liriano, Peavy vs TB Quintana, Floyd, Sale, Liriano at Cle Peavy, Quintana, Floyd at Det - Sale Edited September 14, 2012 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) It would be amusing if Quintana could beat the Tigers twice in a row, after Sale and Peavy failed to it once during the season. The way this season has gone, why not? Of course, there's also the strong possibility they just pound the crap out of him and everyone second guesses Ventura and Cooper for not having Sale or Peavy go. I'm thinking back to 2000 and trying to decide which team had the more battered pitching staff going into post-season? Back then, it was Sirotka, Parque and Baldwin all within a year or two of their Sox careers ending. Edited September 14, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 So that gives Quintana an extra day of rest right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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