NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 LAST SEASON EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER RAPPED ON THOMAS FOR HAVING A SUBPAR SEASON. THIS SEASON HE IS HAVING VERY SIMILAR STATS AND NOBODY REALLY SAYS ANYTHING. WHY IS THAT? I GUESS WE ALL FORGOT ABOUT THE BIG SKIRT ( REMEMBER THAT FROM WSI? LOL!) AND WE'RE ALL PILING ON PAULIE FOR THE TOUGH HALF A SEASON HE HAD. "SLOWNERKO" AS SOME PEOPLE CALL HIM, COULD HAVE ONE LEG TIED BEHIND HIS BACK AND HOP TO FIRST FASTER THAN FAT ASS FRANK AND DEFENSIVELY THERE IS NO COMPARISON. "SLOWNERKO" MAY NOT STEAL ANY BASES AND MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SCORE FROM SECOND ON EVERY SINGLE, BUT AT LEAST HE CAN FIELD HIS POSITION WITHOUT MAKING HIMSELF LOOK STUPID AND HE DOESN'T WHINE TO THE NEWSPAPERS ABOUT MONEY. BOTTOM LINE, LAY OFF PAULIE. HE DOESN'T DESERVE THE WRATH HE'S GOTTEN AROUND HERE, BAD HALF A SEASON OR NOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 Frank still gets on base, that's all I care about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 Not that it erases his past blunders over there, but I thought Frank looked VERY good when he played first base this season. I was surprised at how active and alert he seemed over there. Paulie has been a major disappointment this season, but he is NOT the only one. Just as the old cliche goes "Every day someone else can be the hero", this year's Sox team has had a different goat all the time. It's amazing that this team is still in striking distance, but they are, and they have as good a shot at it as Minny or KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 Konerko is getting blasted becasue he has had only one month of above average production. The other four months are disgraceful. The other thing is Daubach is sitting on the bench and he may be able to produce at a comperable rate of Konerko at his best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted August 19, 2003 Author Share Posted August 19, 2003 Konerko is getting blasted becasue he has had only one month of above average production. The other four months are disgraceful. The other thing is Daubach is sitting on the bench and he may be able to produce at a comperable rate of Konerko at his best. IF DAUBAUCH CAN PLAY THE POSITION AND HIT REASONABLY WELL THEN I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HIM PLAYING FIRST. JUST NO MORE THOMAS AT FIRST WHATEVER HAPPENS. I DONT THINK I CAN HANDLE ANYMORE OF THAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkit Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 I respectfully disagree with your assessment of the situation. Of the two players, which is having a more productive year? Frank played a number of games at first. He played quite well, actually. In fact, a few of his plays made the "Ooohs and Ahhs" reels that were shown on the Chicago evening sports segments on TV. For the life of me, I can't remember one play he missed during that stretch... As for Paulie...He has made some nice defensive plays, I agree. But don't get too caught up in the "PK versus Frank at first base" argument. This is more about how to maximize the performance of one of your best offensive weapons. The question is: Does Frank play better at first base. And if so, does his increased offensive production make up for any loss of defensive capabilities when he is playing first, versus when PK is playing first base. PK's offense has been just plain bad this year. He's back to his "grounding into double plays" rut [or at best, popping out]. He had a three or four week stretch where he looked like he was coming back alive but that seems now to have been a bump in the road. Obviously we'd like to have both hitting at their best. But at times, you have to choose. That's what people are discussing. Forkit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 I respectfully disagree with your assessment of the situation. Of the two players, which is having a more productive year? Frank played a number of games at first. He played quite well, actually. In fact, a few of his plays made the "Ooohs and Ahhs" reels that were shown on the Chicago evening sports segments on TV. For the life of me, I can't remember one play he missed during that stretch... As for Paulie...He has made some nice defensive plays, I agree. But don't get too caught up in the "PK versus Frank at first base" argument. This is more about how to maximize the performance of one of your best offensive weapons. The question is: Does Frank play better at first base. And if so, does his increased offensive production make up for any loss of defensive capabilities when he is playing first, versus when PK is playing first base. PK's offense has been just plain bad this year. He's back to his "grounding into double plays" rut [or at best, popping out]. He had a three or four week stretch where he looked like he was coming back alive but that seems now to have been a bump in the road. Obviously we'd like to have both hitting at their best. But at times, you have to choose. That's what people are discussing. Forkit! Oh in a game without a dh, Im taking Frank Thomas. BUt then again, that depends on his current "mood". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighurt52235 Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 LAST SEASON EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER RAPPED ON THOMAS FOR HAVING A SUBPAR SEASON. THIS SEASON HE IS HAVING VERY SIMILAR STATS AND NOBODY REALLY SAYS ANYTHING. WHY IS THAT? I GUESS WE ALL FORGOT ABOUT THE BIG SKIRT ( REMEMBER THAT FROM WSI? LOL!) AND WE'RE ALL PILING ON PAULIE FOR THE TOUGH HALF A SEASON HE HAD. "SLOWNERKO" AS SOME PEOPLE CALL HIM, COULD HAVE ONE LEG TIED BEHIND HIS BACK AND HOP TO FIRST FASTER THAN FAT ASS FRANK AND DEFENSIVELY THERE IS NO COMPARISON. "SLOWNERKO" MAY NOT STEAL ANY BASES AND MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SCORE FROM SECOND ON EVERY SINGLE, BUT AT LEAST HE CAN FIELD HIS POSITION WITHOUT MAKING HIMSELF LOOK STUPID AND HE DOESN'T WHINE TO THE NEWSPAPERS ABOUT MONEY. BOTTOM LINE, LAY OFF PAULIE. HE DOESN'T DESERVE THE WRATH HE'S GOTTEN AROUND HERE, BAD HALF A SEASON OR NOT. I really don't think that Konerko is faster the "muscle ass Frank". That chopper that Konerko hit to the pitcher that deflected off his glove than trickled to the SS last night, I thought everyone in the league could beat that out. But Koney didn't. I don't ever remember seeing Frank singling off the wall. Also, Frank's BA is similar, but his power numbers are better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 LAST SEASON EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER RAPPED ON THOMAS FOR HAVING A SUBPAR SEASON. THIS SEASON HE IS HAVING VERY SIMILAR STATS AND NOBODY REALLY SAYS ANYTHING. WHY IS THAT? I GUESS WE ALL FORGOT ABOUT THE BIG SKIRT ( REMEMBER THAT FROM WSI? LOL!) AND WE'RE ALL PILING ON PAULIE FOR THE TOUGH HALF A SEASON HE HAD. "SLOWNERKO" AS SOME PEOPLE CALL HIM, COULD HAVE ONE LEG TIED BEHIND HIS BACK AND HOP TO FIRST FASTER THAN FAT ASS FRANK AND DEFENSIVELY THERE IS NO COMPARISON. "SLOWNERKO" MAY NOT STEAL ANY BASES AND MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SCORE FROM SECOND ON EVERY SINGLE, BUT AT LEAST HE CAN FIELD HIS POSITION WITHOUT MAKING HIMSELF LOOK STUPID AND HE DOESN'T WHINE TO THE NEWSPAPERS ABOUT MONEY. BOTTOM LINE, LAY OFF PAULIE. HE DOESN'T DESERVE THE WRATH HE'S GOTTEN AROUND HERE, BAD HALF A SEASON OR NOT. I really don't think that Konerko is faster the "muscle ass Frank". That chopper that Konerko hit to the pitcher that deflected off his glove than trickled to the SS last night, I thought everyone in the league could beat that out. But Koney didn't. I don't ever remember seeing Frank singling off the wall. Also, Frank's BA is similar, but his power numbers are better. Frank has done that in Comiskey this year. It was a liner off of the left field wall in the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighurt52235 Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 Just last night on ESPN, Rick Sutcliffe was talking about Frank playing at first, and he said that Frank can pick-it. He just can't throw worth a s***. He goes on to say that if Frank were the First sacker late in the game, teams would run on him all the time, because if he gets it he can't throw them out. First time I've ever thought of guys stealing second off the firstbasemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 SLOWNERKO" AS SOME PEOPLE CALL HIM, COULD HAVE ONE LEG TIED BEHIND HIS BACK AND HOP TO FIRST FASTER THAN FAT ASS FRANK AND DEFENSIVELY THERE IS NO COMPARISON. There defense is definitely no comparison, PK is a better defender, but the offensive production the sox get from Frank when he's playing 1st base more then makes up for the defense, and as far as their speed goes, Frank is faster then PK, I'm not saying frank is willie harris, but frank is definitely faster then PK thats no comparison either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 For the life of me, I can't remember one play he missed during that stretch... Frank made 1 bad play that I can recall. It was against the Cubs and someone hit a foul pop up, and Frank didn't have his sunglasses on for some reason, and he lost the ball and it fell. Other than that, though, he hasn't made any bad plays, so there is NO reason why he can't be put over there 2, 3, maybe 4 times a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 "SLOWNERKO" AS SOME PEOPLE CALL HIM, COULD HAVE ONE LEG TIED BEHIND HIS BACK AND HOP TO FIRST FASTER THAN FAT ASS FRANK AND DEFENSIVELY THERE IS NO COMPARISON. Um...Konerko is the slowest player on our team dude. There's no way he'd beat Frank in a race, and he wouldn't beat Sandy either, who's had 11 friggin' knee operations and is 10 years older. And Frank is in pretty decent shape man -- he's not a "fat ass". "Fat ass" is someone like Mo Vaughn -- not Frank Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 Um...Konerko is the slowest player on our team dude. There's no way he'd beat Frank in a race, and he wouldn't beat Sandy either, who's had 11 friggin' knee operations and is 10 years older. And Frank is in pretty decent shape man -- he's not a "fat ass". "Fat ass" is someone like Mo Vaughn -- not Frank Thomas. When are you and frank getting married anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 When are you and frank getting married anyway? If only...we could make it a double wedding with me & Frank and you & you-know-who. :puke :fyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 If only...we could make it a double wedding with me & Frank and you & you-know-who. :puke :fyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 Frank is faster than Konerko. Konerko's the better fielder. If you play Frank at first, at what point in the game do you take him out for defensive purposes, and lose his bat? That's a tough decision, and I think Manuel has a problem in that he leaves the offensive guy in too late, trying to squeeze one more at bat out of him. The fewer decisions Manuel has to make, the better. I would only play Frank at first base on the road, to keep his head in the game, and against lefties. Against righties, play Daubach. Also never play Frank at first with Buehrle pitching. Sooner or later, he'll pick someone off, and Frank will throw the ball to Carlos Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 Also never play Frank at first with Buehrle pitching. Sooner or later, he'll pick someone off, and Frank will throw the ball to Carlos Lee. . I don't think Frank has any problems with lefties regardless of where he's playing, so having him DH those games probably wouldn't be a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 You know? ... This Thomas-Konerko-Daubach debate has been going on all season long. Has anybody changed their mind after months and months of discussion and argument? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 You know? ... This Thomas-Konerko-Daubach debate has been going on all season long. Has anybody changed their mind after months and months of discussion and argument? Just curious. Actually, I have. At the beginning of the season, I felt that Frank needed to shut up and adjust to being the DH. But once Paulie got off to that horrible start, I figured "Why NOT throw Frank over there, just to see what happens?" Frank played well over there ( I vividly remember him scooping bad throws out of the dirt and making a few very nice plays ) and was hitting like a monster. I thought PK should have to hit a ton as DH to get back on the field defensively. JM felt differently. I now feel that since the offensive numbers are SO much better as a 1B, and since Frank is the most dangerous hitter in WS history, maybe he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Since it ALSO helps the team in the process ( it's not like PK is a perennial Gold Glover over there, although he is good ), again I say "Why not?". Daubach does not enter into the equation, IMO. I like him, but he is a bench player "if I'm making out the lineup card". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 A few weeks ago I would have decided to put Thomas at First cos he was hitting so much better when he was fielding cos he didn't have to just think about his at bats. But now he seems to be coming around a bit again so I'd leave it for the moment. But if he starts to struggle again, I'd probably swap em and rotate the DH a bit giving Everett and Rowand both some chances at Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 So in recent years Franks average has been down. I know. But you cant compare Franks 2002 with Konerkos 2003. Frank still hit .250 last year and he had 92 damn RBIs! Franks 2002 may have been a letdown for him (which just goes to prove how good he really is) but I dont think many other MLBers would have a problem with those numbers. Now look at Koney. Hes hitting .229 with 12 bombs and 49 RBIs. That doesnt just suck for him, it sucks for anyone. These seasons are uncomparable. As for the whole speed thing, Frank is faster. And Franks defense isnt shabby either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 You know? ... This Thomas-Konerko-Daubach debate has been going on all season long. Has anybody changed their mind after months and months of discussion and argument? Just curious. Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 "SLOWNERKO" AS SOME PEOPLE CALL HIM, COULD HAVE ONE LEG TIED BEHIND HIS BACK AND HOP TO FIRST FASTER THAN FAT ASS FRANK AND DEFENSIVELY THERE IS NO COMPARISON. omg lmfao... nukie i love ya hon but ....MAURY could beat paulie through the basepaths with both his legs tied up and wearing cement shoes......frank may have a big bootay but.. he gets to base a hellova lot faster than paulie could ever wish to..........and the known fact that franks bat works better when he plays at first is a drastic improvement in the lineup over paulies wishey washey season with the stick.....not to mention that frank and paulie are just about the same defensively.........id take frank at 1st and dauber doing dh over paulie even being on the team any day of the week and twice on sundays....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 omg lmfao... nukie i love ya hon but ....MAURY could beat paulie through the basepaths with both his legs tied up and wearing cement shoes whoa whoa whoa WHOA! Slow down, HSC!! I have played softball with Maury for a few years, and I can tell you, Maury PinStripes vs. Paulie Slownerko would be a very tight turtle race!! POETRY IN SLOW MOTION!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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