Friend of Nordhagen Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 It would appear that the White Sox began their slide when Francisco Liriano coughed up that 3-run lead in KC. Not much good has happened since the 5th inning of that game, and that sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 03:21 AM) It would appear that the White Sox began their slide when Francisco Liriano coughed up that 3-run lead in KC. Not much good has happened since the 5th inning of that game, and that sucks. I'd point to the night before when Viciedo, Alexei and Flowers all failed to at least tie the game with bases loaded and no outs. At the time, the team had won 5 in a row and had Sale on the mound. They never seemed to recover after that failed opportunity, and the struggles with RISP reached almost unbelievable heights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 This has been a cumulative effort. No turning points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 10:23 PM) I'd point to the night before when Viciedo, Alexei and Flowers all failed to at least tie the game with bases loaded and no outs. At the time, the team had won 5 in a row and had Sale on the mound. They never seemed to recover after that failed opportunity, and the struggles with RISP reached almost unbelievable heights. I would go back to the 2nd DET game following the Quintana opening win. They had just tied the game with a Wise walk and had bases loaded, no outs, 3-3 against Fister. Youk lined to 3rd, Dunn struck out and that was the beginning of the end. Hitting with RISP has been the bane of this team for weeks now, after leading the majors for the first 4 1/2 months of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 10:21 PM) It would appear that the White Sox began their slide when Francisco Liriano coughed up that 3-run lead in KC. Not much good has happened since the 5th inning of that game, and that sucks. You know, I thought it was weird to take Myers out with 1-out left in the 9th vs. Tigers, replacing him with Reed. The players must have been like WTF at such a blatant move to not have Myers option kick in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 04:28 AM) I would go back to the 2nd DET game following the Quintana opening win. They had just tied the game with a Wise walk and had bases loaded, no outs, 3-3 against Fister. Youk lined to 3rd, Dunn struck out and that was the beginning of the end. Hitting with RISP has been the bane of this team for weeks now, after leading the majors for the first 4 1/2 months of the season. The bases loaded debacle you're referring to was in Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 It's going to be so sad when 10 years from now we look back at the 2012 season and see the Sox finished 5 games back, and maybe not even remember how in control we were of this division until an epic collapse in the final couple weeks of September allowed a terribly under performing Detroit team to get away with all their pitfalls and fall backwards in to the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 The game in KC when we had the 3-0 lead and then Rios got nailed at home by a mile and Alexei got picked off at third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 08:23 PM) I'd point to the night before when Viciedo, Alexei and Flowers all failed to at least tie the game with bases loaded and no outs. At the time, the team had won 5 in a row and had Sale on the mound. They never seemed to recover after that failed opportunity, and the struggles with RISP reached almost unbelievable heights. We used to lead the league with 2 outs and RISP. That evaporated and voila, so did the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Games that still pain me? Quintana in LA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 03:29 AM) It's going to be so sad when 10 years from now we look back at the 2012 season and see the Sox finished 5 games back, and maybe not even remember how in control we were of this division until an epic collapse in the final couple weeks of September allowed a terribly under performing Detroit team to get away with all their pitfalls and fall backwards in to the playoffs. The Sox were never in control, even with a 3 game lead, simply due to the final 2 weeks on the schedule for both teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 I still enjoyed this season. This team never gave up in any game and that's the bright spot in having Ventura at the helm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 10:31 PM) Games that still pain me? Quintana in LA. That was an example of a managing decision that irritated me. I still think Robin is excellent, though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 10:28 PM) The bases loaded debacle you're referring to was in Detroit. Maybe all the Detroit games are running together for me right now, there were so many wasted opportunities. We had a huge chance in a game against Fister and didn't knock him out early. Where was that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 11:32 PM) The Sox were never in control, even with a 3 game lead, simply due to the final 2 weeks on the schedule for both teams. In 1st place for over 2 months straight, 3 game lead with 2 weeks left. I'd say we were definitely in control. Series loses to KC and Cleveland, and a sweep by the Angels blew it for us. We could have lost 3 of 4 to the Rays, and STILL be sitting with a 1 game lead going in to the final series had we not s*** down our legs against KC, Cleveland, and Anaheim. We were in control, and we threw it away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 I don't know anything about SABR but someone just tweeted Flowers has a higher WAR than Konerko - since June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 10:32 PM) The Sox were never in control, even with a 3 game lead, simply due to the final 2 weeks on the schedule for both teams. The biggest lead was 3 1/2 games, and tonight marks the biggest deficit, passing the 1 1/2 margin after the first sweep in Detroit. Never in control. It felt in control after we finally beat DET and had a 3 game lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 04:39 AM) The biggest lead was 3 1/2 games, and tonight marks the biggest deficit, passing the 1 1/2 margin after the first sweep in Detroit. Never in control. It felt in control after we finally beat DET and had a 3 game lead. It did? Everyone was worried about the road trip at KC and Anaheim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 After the Sox beat Detroit in the Monday afternoon makeup game the division title was their's to lose ... and they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 04:39 AM) The biggest lead was 3 1/2 games, and tonight marks the biggest deficit, passing the 1 1/2 margin after the first sweep in Detroit. Never in control. It felt in control after we finally beat DET and had a 3 game lead. Never in control, but there were so many series when we were playing KC and Detroit on the other side of the ledger was sucking. We'd lose but the optimists would always point out that we were still in first place and Detroit wasn't very good. We relied on Detroit not being good for so long. At some point you have to play winning baseball. All those games you guys mentioned; all those epic failures. Can any Sox fan deny we should have been at least 7 games up at some point. Hey, we saved a good man's job, though. Leyland now is safe. Edited September 28, 2012 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguy79 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Not only was it in their control but to go 1-8 is ridiculous...we aren't even go to make it a race...perhaps we were overachievers the first half and this is the team we really have. I know we are too old, slow and can't execute a bunt or make contact in clutch situations...at least we have some decent young arms and got production out of most of our high salary players but I think KW will continue with a larger retooling. The epic fail clearly started with the Sale loss in KC, Alexei being picked off 3rd was perhaps the low point (other than the numerous situations with the bases loaded, nobody out and if we scored 1 run it felt like a mental victory). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 10:40 PM) It did? Everyone was worried about the road trip at KC and Anaheim. In that one moment, having survived that game...beating the Tigers and extending the lead to 3 instead of having it cut down to 1, I thought we could go 1-2 in LA and 2-2 against TB and still pull it off. The two Royals games that followed the previous(ly) poorly played Royals series, the RISP worries, the Baltimore series, there were lots of warning signs, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 IMO, the turning point was Viciedo v. Chen with the bases loaded, no one out, in that 2nd Royals game last week. Tank had some struggles this year, but one thing he always did was crush LHP, especially Chen. That was a moment to break the game wide open, score some runs for your ace. He aimed for the fences, popped it up, so did Alexei, and there went that game. Maybe that creates some momentum, even if it didn't, the Sox could still only be one game back right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 05:15 AM) IMO, the turning point was Viciedo v. Chen with the bases loaded, no one out, in that 2nd Royals game last week. Tank had some struggles this year, but one thing he always did was crush LHP, especially Chen. That was a moment to break the game wide open, score some runs for your ace. He aimed for the fences, popped it up, so did Alexei, and there went that game. Maybe that creates some momentum, even if it didn't, the Sox could still only be one game back right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Edwards Shot Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) The turning point for me was the road trip to Baltimore and Detroit when they went 1-6. The first game in Baltimore had us leading 3-2 in the bottom of the 8th, but then wife-beater Myers gave up a two run homer to the O's and we lost 4-3 (funny, Myers pretty much repeated that BS tonight). Ever since that game and road trip the team wasn't anywhere near what they were prior to that point. The overachieving stopped right there. Yes, they had a 5 game winning streak as recently as last week when they won the makeup game at home against the Tigers, but they already weren't the same at that point. It's like they were just hanging on for dear life. Edited September 28, 2012 by Doc Edwards Shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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