kitekrazy Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 There's a lot of them. Thornton as closer .400 against the NL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 12:46 AM) There's a lot of them. Thornton as closer .400 against the NL Wasn't that last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 I really didn't see any magical turning point - I saw a team that just seemed to be getting more and more tired as September went on, and then the pressure took a further toll in making batters press w/RISP. It was more of a slow fade, in my view, than some single turning point. And by the way, that's one thing I'd actually put on Robin, that I hope he learns from... he needs to play his bench a little more during the whole season, not just near the end. I love the job RV did overall, but of the few things I didn't like, that one really sticks out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 08:52 AM) I really didn't see any magical turning point - I saw a team that just seemed to be getting more and more tired as September went on, and then the pressure took a further toll in making batters press w/RISP. It was more of a slow fade, in my view, than some single turning point. And by the way, that's one thing I'd actually put on Robin, that I hope he learns from... he needs to play his bench a little more during the whole season, not just near the end. I love the job RV did overall, but of the few things I didn't like, that one really sticks out. I agree with this 100%. I honestly wonder if it contributed to some of the injuries to key guys as the season wore on. I'd say it was his biggest failing as a manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 09:09 AM) [/b] I agree with this 100%. I honestly wonder if it contributed to some of the injuries to key guys as the season wore on. I'd say it was his biggest failing as a manager. He was scared to face Soxtalk's "Sunday lineup" rage that usually occurs anytime a regular sits. Our bench seemed to be extra less talented than normal, even before Escobar & Lillibridge were traded. Maybe it was just a lack of trust in their ability to contribute at all? Especially the infielders, like Hudson & Olmedo. Once Wise came around and played well, he was very willing to sub him & Viciedo out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Was it over when the French bombed the Alamo? No!! We are in it until the magic number hits 0! Adele is clearing her throat but it ain't over 'til it's over! Let's close it out in boss style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 My god Konerko needs to moved from the 4 hole ASAP! Dan Johnson and Jordan Danks should be playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 08:47 AM) Wasn't that last year? Nope. Under Ozzie Sox had.600 win % percentage against the NL. Sox are also down at the lower half of losing leads after the 7th. Season starts in April, little things add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 09:51 AM) Nope. Under Ozzie Sox had.600 win % percentage against the NL. Sox are also down at the lower half of losing leads after the 7th. Season starts in April, little things add up. No, I meant Thornton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Two games out after last night and even though Jake pitched one heckuva of a game the offense couldn't produce again. I don't understand the choking by these guys. After all when you play little league ball everything about scoring looks so easy. The team collapse is a collective one. I still don't want to give up but that knife is close to the heart right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 I'd say our inability to beat KC--they owned us this year--was ultimately what did us in. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Edwards Shot Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 08:52 AM) And by the way, that's one thing I'd actually put on Robin, that I hope he learns from... he needs to play his bench a little more during the whole season, not just near the end. I love the job RV did overall, but of the few things I didn't like, that one really sticks out. This is true, except that you have to have somewhat productive players on the bench to put in. You can't make a habit out of a guy like Orlando Hudson who hits like .150. This shortcoming is on Kenny for not giving Robin decent bench players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 09:25 AM) He was scared to face Soxtalk's "Sunday lineup" rage that usually occurs anytime a regular sits. Our bench seemed to be extra less talented than normal, even before Escobar & Lillibridge were traded. Maybe it was just a lack of trust in their ability to contribute at all? Especially the infielders, like Hudson & Olmedo. Once Wise came around and played well, he was very willing to sub him & Viciedo out. I get that sentiment, but at the same time, guys need days off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (Doc Edwards Shot @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 10:32 AM) This is true, except that you have to have somewhat productive players on the bench to put in. You can't make a habit out of a guy like Orlando Hudson who hits like .150. This shortcoming is on Kenny for not giving Robin decent bench players. So instead your stars get to the end of September, and they are the ones who are hitting .150 because they are hurt and/or tired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (Doc Edwards Shot @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 10:32 AM) This is true, except that you have to have somewhat productive players on the bench to put in. You can't make a habit out of a guy like Orlando Hudson who hits like .150. This shortcoming is on Kenny for not giving Robin decent bench players. Chicken and egg. Maybe they were hitting .150 because they never played. Look at Tyler Flowers, who by the way was a pretty good 2nd catcher... he started hitting near the end of the season, when he finally saw a little more playing time. And Escobar was never thought to be much of a hitter anyway, but again, they guys need to play to keep the rust off. Bench players are bench players for a reason. And I think KW did an OK job with it. Flowers was pretty good, Escobar was good defensively. The Wise pickup was a good one. Danks works out fine as a backup OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 03:40 PM) Chicken and egg. Maybe they were hitting .150 because they never played. Look at Tyler Flowers, who by the way was a pretty good 2nd catcher... he started hitting near the end of the season, when he finally saw a little more playing time. And Escobar was never thought to be much of a hitter anyway, but again, they guys need to play to keep the rust off. Bench players are bench players for a reason. And I think KW did an OK job with it. Flowers was pretty good, Escobar was good defensively. The Wise pickup was a good one. Danks works out fine as a backup OF. Kenny failing to get a back-up SS/3B at the deadline was a huge blunder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 10:45 AM) Kenny failing to get a back-up SS/3B at the deadline was a huge blunder. I disagree. With Youk and Ramirez, they play basically every day. I can see an argument for a backup for Youk given his history, but he only missed a few games, and I think the impact of that is miniscule compared to other issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 05:30 PM) I disagree. With Youk and Ramirez, they play basically every day. I can see an argument for a backup for Youk given his history, but he only missed a few games, and I think the impact of that is miniscule compared to other issues. Youk's been so banged up, there's no doubt in my mind he would have been given more rest if they had a suitable back-up 3rd baseman. Heck, having to play Olmedo at SS for Alexei in a game basically cost the Sox a game. Of course there are other issues, but finding a back-up utility player seems like it should have been one of the easier issues to fix. Edited September 28, 2012 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Konerko's fade/injury killed the team. I'm surprised the guys were able to sustain for so long with the black holes in the lineup. Dunn, Ramirez, Viciedo and Beckham were pretty much a guaranteed 2/15 any given night. Add Youk to that maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 04:36 PM) So instead your stars get to the end of September, and they are the ones who are hitting .150 because they are hurt and/or tired. A strong bench and playing them to give your reegulars a day off from time to time is important. I think this has been mentioned before too. Robin stuck with his regular starters most of the time. The bench seemed to be role players: pinch run or a late inning defensive sub usually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 09:40 AM) Chicken and egg. Maybe they were hitting .150 because they never played. Look at Tyler Flowers, who by the way was a pretty good 2nd catcher... he started hitting near the end of the season, when he finally saw a little more playing time. And Escobar was never thought to be much of a hitter anyway, but again, they guys need to play to keep the rust off. Bench players are bench players for a reason. And I think KW did an OK job with it. Flowers was pretty good, Escobar was good defensively. The Wise pickup was a good one. Danks works out fine as a backup OF. Great point. Waiver wire also gets more expensive in Sept. for teams who are desperate. Remember the Sox were paying about $100K per at bat to Manny Ramirez? If you invest a lot of money in the DH, it's hard to have a good bench unless you have one that can play multiple positions. Those don't grow on trees. I'm not buying the excuse of hurt and tired. Every baseball team deals with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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