JoshPR Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 This is sooo bulls***, you think JR will hire Ozzie again? I don't think so, he quit on the team last year, he put his personal interest first and failed, if he was so good a manager he would have win with what he had in Miami, ready to win team??? Even I or anybody here could do that. Stop your Ozzie love affair bulls***, good riddance to him and oney and ozney, give Ventura time he basically was sacrificial lamb and came up ahead, he did something right, remember we were supposed to lose over 90 games?? Yes he made bad decisions so what, I bet Larussa had his fair share in 78 when he took over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Does Robin want to come back, that is the question? Robin seems too calm to be a manager. I think we should switch every year. Next season's manager: Big Hurt, Frank Thomas. Then the following year: Harold Baines. Year after that: Steve Stone. And year after that: Ozzie Guillen. Why not? Sox should switch every year. Robin did a good job but didn't quite have the magic touch to avoid the late-season meltdown. Let's give Big Hurt the next shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 If Ozzie is manager again I might follow the mets full time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 10:44 PM) Does Robin want to come back, that is the question? Robin seems too calm to be a manager. I think we should switch every year. Next season's manager: Big Hurt, Frank Thomas. Then the following year: Harold Baines. Year after that: Steve Stone. And year after that: Ozzie Guillen. Why not? Sox should switch every year. Robin did a good job but didn't quite have the magic touch to avoid the late-season meltdown. Let's give Big Hurt the next shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 10:28 PM) This scenario has less chance of happening than one of Ozzie's kids making a major league roster. Off season stupidity has started early. Look at the source. It doesn't make sense and very few of Marty's post ever make sense. He has no inside info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 09:44 PM) Does Robin want to come back, that is the question? Robin seems too calm to be a manager. I think we should switch every year. Next season's manager: Big Hurt, Frank Thomas. Then the following year: Harold Baines. Year after that: Steve Stone. And year after that: Ozzie Guillen. Why not? Sox should switch every year. Robin did a good job but didn't quite have the magic touch to avoid the late-season meltdown. Let's give Big Hurt the next shot. Greg, very very few ex players that were great ever become good managers. Baines, you're not serious, are you? I would rather have Fisk or even Black Jack McDowell (never happen) than Baines. Talk about boring or no interviews with Robin, can't imagine how this team would disappear completely from the media with Harold. Stone would profile more as a GM/front office type than having any interest in managing. He's already wealthy, he doesn't need the headaches that go with managing a club on a daily basis. Maybe Robin will decide he feels the same way. It's either in your blood/DNA or it's not. I could even honestly say I would rather have Hawk Harrelson, DJ, Farmer or Singleton managing than Baines, and that's saying a lot. (I won't go as far as saying Chris Rongey, that's just too much of a stretch.) Thomas should probably start off in a coaching or minor league managing role and see how he feels after a year or so, just like Ventura did....kind of easing into it one step at a time. Edited September 30, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Why is this even being seriously discussed? It is a BS fantasy. Also FWIW I thought Jeff Torborg was a good manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Ozzie coming back would be a train wreck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 07:21 PM) Take this FWIW, sometimes my guy on 35th street is right, sometimes he isn't. - Don't expect KW to stay long as President, there just isn't enough for him to do. Basically it's a "job well done" spot for him until a desirable GM job opens (Dodgers?) my guy is a pro KW guy by the way. - When I asked if Ventura likes being a manager he said that he likes the teaching aspect of the job. - Hahn thinks "very highly" of Guillen. When Hahn thinks they have a team ready to win Guillen would be at the top of his list for managers. They think Guillen is burnt out and would benfit from a year away from the game. My guy laid out a scenario where in a year or two Ventura replaces Buddy Bell as director of minor leagues and Guillen returns as manager. Guillen (obviously) won't return while KW is still with the organization. While my guy did not say Hahn is anti-Ventura, he did say he was tight with Guillen.. All this kinda surprised me because wasn't there a dust up between Hahn and Guillen on twitter? My guy leaned back and laughed while he grabbed his belly when he read your ridiculous post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 My guy likes a good joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan-kwman Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 No chance. Then we have to get rid of Cooper too. Makes no sense, Ozzie may comeback as a special assistant or something, but that's it. Buehrle coming back would be more probable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (soxfan-kwman @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 06:51 AM) No chance. Then we have to get rid of Cooper too. Makes no sense, Ozzie may comeback as a special assistant or something, but that's it. Buehrle coming back would be more probable. Cooper may be a genius, but he sure was helpless as the rest during the pitchers' collapse. Our bullpen sucked and our starters sucked. Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Greg, you keep mentioning late season melt downs. Those were consistent with Ozzie every single year, including 05. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 If Ozzie comes back I may lose interest in following this team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Cali @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 01:46 AM) If Ozzie comes back I may lose interest in following this team... I'd be really, really mad for a while. I could never stop following them, but oh boy. If Ozzie didn't bring Buehrle along, I'd watch them because I like the players. Edited September 30, 2012 by Quinarvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 10:55 PM) Look at the source. It doesn't make sense and very few of Marty's post ever make sense. He has no inside info. Believe what you want to believe. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. You guys that never go to the park crack me up. As I've said earlier, I've spent an obscene amount of money on the Sox over the years. That's ok, I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford it. Anyway, when you are at the park as often as I have been, you get to know people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share Posted September 30, 2012 Don't worry about Ozzie coming back anytime soon. As I told my guy, he's crazy if he thinks this will be rebuilt in a year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (MAX @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 12:49 AM) My guy likes a good joke. Guillen was a good manager before he won a World Series. He's pretty clearly burned out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 01:36 AM) Cooper may be a genius, but he sure was helpless as the rest during the pitchers' collapse. Our bullpen sucked and our starters sucked. Pathetic. So tell me how a pitching coach works around a team that is half rookies, partially injured, and the rest are at half decade and/or career highs for IP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 08:52 AM) Guillen was a good manager before he won a World Series. He's pretty clearly burned out now. More accurately, he believes his own story too much now, and burns everyone else out on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 09:44 PM) Does Robin want to come back, that is the question? Robin seems too calm to be a manager. I think we should switch every year. Next season's manager: Big Hurt, Frank Thomas. Then the following year: Harold Baines. Year after that: Steve Stone. And year after that: Ozzie Guillen. Why not? Sox should switch every year. Robin did a good job but didn't quite have the magic touch to avoid the late-season meltdown. Let's give Big Hurt the next shot. did this post just happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 09:08 AM) More accurately, he believes his own story too much now, and burns everyone else out on him. No doubt a dose of humility would do him good. Ultimately, maybe that's what the Marlins experience ends up being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 09:11 AM) No doubt a dose of humility would do him good. Ultimately, maybe that's what the Marlins experience ends up being. I dont see much humility in this current death spiral. Looks like the same guy that was blaming everyone else while simultaneously saying "its my fault". I think success just goes to his head, any degree of success and the animal comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 09:30 AM) I dont see much humility in this current death spiral. Looks like the same guy that was blaming everyone else while simultaneously saying "its my fault". I think success just goes to his head, any degree of success and the animal comes out. He's got an enormous ego which has a lot to do with his failings, however it also contributed to him being a very good manager in 04-5. It's a fine line with him to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Cooper failed because of Liriano, lol. The Royals succeeded with Guthrie, the Tigers with Sanchez. Therefore, Cooper should be summarily fired. And Cooper's also to blame for Addison Reed sucking, Peavy and Sale not being "big game" pitchers in the final month or against the Tigers, and Matt Thornton continuing to try to pitch with only fastballs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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