fathom Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 08:06 PM) Marty, if you have inside sources, what is their feeling about Buehrle? Do they want him back? Do you or they agree with me that losing him was like losing a coach? He would have done wonders with our young pitchers IMO. If Miami is rebuilding why the hell would they want to keep Mark? We really need him IMO. STOP! The young pitching was fine with the Sox this year. Please get over your obsession with a pretty average pitcher now that is making way too much money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 07:14 PM) Paulies a professional hitter, he's gonna come back and be much better than he has been the final 2 months of the season...he'll be the starting 1B next year no questions asked... I think right after the season ends we'll hear about surgery and everybody will be feeling positive about Paulie as the offseason continues to be a feel good "White Sox did much better than anybody expected" love fest. That is, the rare occasions when people are talking about the sox, with the Cubs rebuilding and the Bears/Bulls doing their thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 07:15 PM) STOP! The young pitching was fine with the Sox this year. Please get over your obsession with a pretty average pitcher now that is making way too much money. You and I disagree about Mark's "coaching ability" as well as pitching ability. That's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 07:15 PM) I think right after the season ends we'll hear about surgery and everybody will be feeling positive about Paulie as the offseason continues to be a feel good "White Sox did much better than anybody expected" love fest. That is, the rare occasions when people are talking about the sox, with the Cubs rebuilding and the Bears/Bulls doing their thing. Well, if he does have surgery, then that would give Marty more credibility to most on here since he started about a month ago he heard PK had a fractured/broken wrist or hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 07:16 PM) You and I disagree about Mark's "coaching ability" as well as pitching ability. That's fine. Why did the Marlins pitching suck this year then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 07:17 PM) Why did the Marlins pitching suck this year then? I dunno. Do they have the kind of stuff our starters show? I mean Q has looked nasty today, yet 3 runs in four innings? There's something very wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 08:19 PM) I dunno. Do they have the kind of stuff our starters show? I mean Q has looked nasty today, yet 3 runs in four innings? There's something very wrong with that. You think Quintana looks nasty? And yes, Josh Johnson has some of the best stuff of any pitcher in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:35 PM) And yes, Mark Buehrle has some of the best stuff of any pitcher in baseball. mmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 08:17 PM) Why did the Marlins pitching suck this year then? Not because of Mark Buerhle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (SI1020 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 08:57 PM) Not because of Mark Buerhle. Well duh, but according to greg, Buehrle makes a big different on how others on the team perform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Anibal Sanchez has performed quite well recently for DET without any involvement from the Guillen clan on his behalf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:19 PM) Anibal Sanchez has performed quite well recently for DET without any involvement from the Guillen clan on his behalf. Considering some of their starters not named Verlander have improved this season, would you take their coach over Cooper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 10:23 PM) Considering some of their starters not named Verlander have improved this season, would you take their coach over Cooper? Absolutely, as Cooper's magic has definitely come to an end. Danks/Floyd never improved from 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 03:24 PM) Absolutely, as Cooper's magic has definitely come to an end. Danks/Floyd never improved from 2008. He doesn't seem to make an impact towards the end of the season. He might be more valuable in the farm system. Edited September 30, 2012 by kitekrazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) The KW/Cooper put together bullpens have left a lot to be desired over the years. The formula seems to be get guys who throw hard and let them pitch an inning at a time. Edited September 30, 2012 by Marty34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 03:44 PM) The KW/Cooper put together bullpens have left a lot to be desired over the years. The formula seems to be get guys who throw hard and let them pitch an inning at a time. Bullpens can be a crap shoot and rare to be consistent. See 2006 Sox. Look at 2011 Valverde, he's not lights out. Unfortunately kids from the minors think they can put their 97+ heater past big leaguers. They have to learn that the hard way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 05:57 PM) Bullpens can be a crap shoot and rare to be consistent. See 2006 Sox. Look at 2011 Valverde, he's not lights out. Unfortunately kids from the minors think they can put their 97+ heater past big leaguers. They have to learn that the hard way. Where did Addison Reed's "plus" fastball go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 05:38 PM) Where did Addison Reed's "plus" fastball go? Into the gap to score the two guys he walked earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 07:03 PM) Into the gap to score the two guys he walked earlier. Levity at its finest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 08:01 PM) Zero percent chance Guillen returns as manager. None Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 01:12 AM) None I don't care about him returning as manager yet. Broadcaster is a different story. If Stoney can't stand Hawk, then bring in Ozzie. It sure seems like Loria is mad at his statements and will axe him. I read the latest story where Oz said he doesn't deserve to be fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 LOL you love Ozzie too much.... I don't want Ozzie a mile from anything whitesox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 With how things ended with his divorce in Chicago...it would look completely asinine to bring him back in any way shape or for for anything less than 5-6 years. Geez us...move on from his narcissistic drama already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) Thornton at least learned to throw his offspeed stuff more the 2nd half, but he's lost some life off his fastball. Considering the contributions of Quintana (who the Yankees gave up on), Sale, Humber (do you blame Humber for 2012 or credit Cooper for his 2011 success or a combination thereof), Santos, Addison Reed, Jones (who 2 years ago nobody thought was bound for the majors), Veal, Omogrosso, Septimo, Donnie Veal, Heath, Marinez, etc. Part of me feels there's a need for "new blood" and a new approach. Then again, the strength (and weakness) of our coaching staff has always been continuity and JR's loyalty. You can look at Danks and Floyd specifically...although Danks is harder to blame (and Cooper) for 2012 simply because he was never healthy. That leaves the erratic and wildly inconsistent Gavin Floyd and Liriano. Let's see what they do with our teams before we condemn Cooper on those 2 counts. We've never seen another pitcher that Cooper worked with consistently at the BIG LEAGUE LEVEL go on to success elsewhere as a starter. Hudson, Gio and Brandon McCarthy are where that conversation begins and ends. You can even argue Cooper got more than we imagined out of Clayton Richard, Charlie Haeger, Lucas Harrell, John Ely, etc. And if Don Cooper had the 2007 version of Cy Young to coach, instead of a vastly diminished one, we could have a legit conversation about Peavy, but I don't see how you can say 2012, considering where he came from....was anything but an "overall" success for Jake, even though specifically he failed down the stretch and against the Tigers. That's also very hard to pin on our pitching coach, that's more on the pitcher IMO. Edited October 1, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Ignoring what I've already said about trying to get anyone to understand Ozzie's speech and the craziness that would be leaving Ozzie unfiltered for three hours at a time.... You have Hawk who we believe has too big an ego for Steve Stone, who also seems to have a rather large ego. So you replace Stone with....OZZIE GUILLEN? Ozzie has the biggest ego on the planet and it is costing him everything already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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