NorthSideSox72 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Here is our next chapter in the Top Prospects by Position discussion. We've already done Outfielders and Skill Infielders. Now we're on Starting Pitchers. Tell us your top 10 in the system! (guys like Santiago, Axelrod and Quintana are ineligible due to innings pitched in the majors) Here's my list... 1. Erik Johnson 2. Simon Castro 3. Scott Snodgress 4. Andre Rienzo 5. Chris Beck 6. Nestor Molina 7. Charlie Leesman 8. Brandon Brennan 9. Kyle Hansen 10. Charlie Shirek Other guys considered: Jake Petricka, Ryan Buch, Chris Bassitt, Todd Kibby How about yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 1. Snodgress 2. Johnson 3. Molina 4. Leesman 5. Beck 6. Castro 7. Rienzo 8. Jefferson Olacio 9. Jhan Marinez 10. Euclides Leyer, I guess. Maybe one of the higher level guys like Santos Rodriguez. This is a pretty dire crop all around but guys like Snodgress and Johnson could be on some 'sleeper' lists heading in to 2013. Leesman and Marinez should contribute next year, and Rienzo may also see some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I'd actually bump Rienzo up a few notches to #2. Walks was the only part of his game that wasn't outstanding last year. 6.8 H/9 is awesome, 0.2 HR/9 is unbelievable, 9.8 K/9 is fantastic, 2.53 ERA, only hit 1 batter, and carried a 1.16 WHIP. I realize he is already 24, but his breakout 2012 season makes him the first option out of the minors leagues next season in my opinion (although I'm sure Castro would get the 1st chance). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 1. Scott Snodgress 2. Erik Johnson 3. Charlie Leesman 4. Andre Rienzo 5. Chris Beck 6. Simon Castro 7. Brandon Brennan 8. Nestor Molina 9. Jhan Marinez 10. Ryan Buch Jefferson Olacio is intriguing. He's one to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Don't follow the farm system much, but wow Nestor Molina looks like he had a dreadful year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 QUOTE (IowanSoxFan @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 05:56 PM) Don't follow the farm system much, but wow Nestor Molina looks like he had a dreadful year. Dreadful only compared to 2012. Looks like 2011 was definitely a fluke. His 2012 was not terrible, as his BB rate, HR rate, and K/BB ratio were very solid, but he was allowing more hits than normal, while striking out less than he normally did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 QUOTE (daggins @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 02:18 PM) 1. Snodgress 2. Johnson 3. Molina 4. Leesman 5. Beck 6. Castro 7. Rienzo 8. Jefferson Olacio 9. Jhan Marinez 10. Euclides Leyer, I guess. Maybe one of the higher level guys like Santos Rodriguez. This is a pretty dire crop all around but guys like Snodgress and Johnson could be on some 'sleeper' lists heading in to 2013. Leesman and Marinez should contribute next year, and Rienzo may also see some time. Are people thinking Marinez is a future starter? I figured him as a reliever, so I didn't include him. Same with Rodriguez. Olacio and Leyer are interesting but erratic, and Olacio didn't have much of a year. QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) I'd actually bump Rienzo up a few notches to #2. Walks was the only part of his game that wasn't outstanding last year. 6.8 H/9 is awesome, 0.2 HR/9 is unbelievable, 9.8 K/9 is fantastic, 2.53 ERA, only hit 1 batter, and carried a 1.16 WHIP. I realize he is already 24, but his breakout 2012 season makes him the first option out of the minors leagues next season in my opinion (although I'm sure Castro would get the 1st chance). I've taken that position too, but not quite that high on him. The big knock is a lack of secondary stuff, we'll see if that changes in 2013. That will be the determining factor for him, along with control. QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 03:05 PM) 1. Scott Snodgress 2. Erik Johnson 3. Charlie Leesman 4. Andre Rienzo 5. Chris Beck 6. Simon Castro 7. Brandon Brennan 8. Nestor Molina 9. Jhan Marinez 10. Ryan Buch Jefferson Olacio is intriguing. He's one to watch. Buch has been looked at closely for years now, he's got serious physical skills, but he just consistently doesn't seem to put it together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 We really need 3-4 of those guys to have big years/improvement next year, that is a pretty sad group overall (obviously some talent, but considering how we develop pitchers at a decent rate it's pretty bare). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Sorry, I misread. Take off Marinez, bump up Leyer and put Brennan at 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Though I think Rienzo and Buch and a few others are future relievers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 QUOTE (daggins @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 06:52 PM) Though I think Rienzo and Buch and a few others are future relievers. That's always possible of course. That is part of the discussion. That's why I said it matters a lot what Rienzo can come up with for secondary stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Buch has already been moved to the bullpen. Rienzo could end up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Olacio is 18 and left handed and he held his own for a while in Kanny. His main problem is control but again, he is 18. Leyer has better control but gave up too many hits. He is still young. I haven't heard much about his "stuff" though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 QUOTE (daggins @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 10:59 PM) Olacio is 18 and left handed and he held his own for a while in Kanny. His main problem is control but again, he is 18. Leyer has better control but gave up too many hits. He is still young. I haven't heard much about his "stuff" though. I don't know much about what Leyer brings either, but he was always entertaining to see the box score from. He'd strike out double digits one game, then none the next. Doesn't seem to be much scouting info out there on him, at least that I can find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 06:44 PM) We really need 3-4 of those guys to have big years/improvement next year, that is a pretty sad group overall (obviously some talent, but considering how we develop pitchers at a decent rate it's pretty bare). This is actually the one group in our minors that I don't consider to be that sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 12:28 PM) This is actually the one group in our minors that I don't consider to be that sad. I'd say outfielders as well, there are 4-6 intriguing guys. But the infield in general is barren (with a couple exceptions), and I'm afraid we use most of the good bullpen bullets this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 1. Erik Johnson 2. Simon Castro (I think people ignored that he actually had a decent season) 3. Scott Snodgress 4. Chris Beck 5. Andre Rienzo 6. Nestor Molina 7. Charlie Leesman 8. Jacob Petricka 9. Jefferson Olacio 10. Euclides Leyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 QUOTE (danman31 @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 03:08 PM) 1. Erik Johnson 2. Simon Castro (I think people ignored that he actually had a decent season) 3. Scott Snodgress 4. Chris Beck 5. Andre Rienzo 6. Nestor Molina 7. Charlie Leesman 8. Jacob Petricka 9. Jefferson Olacio 10. Euclides Leyer I like this list. I think there is a chance for Beck to be #1 on it by the end of the year if the Sox were right about his drop off this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 QUOTE (danman31 @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 03:08 PM) 1. Erik Johnson 2. Simon Castro (I think people ignored that he actually had a decent season) 3. Scott Snodgress 4. Chris Beck 5. Andre Rienzo 6. Nestor Molina 7. Charlie Leesman 8. Jacob Petricka 9. Jefferson Olacio 10. Euclides Leyer Your Top 7 are almost identical to mine, but the last three we have nothing in common. I can see all three of those guys having a good argument over Shirek just based on potential... but over Hansen and Brennan? What kind of scouting info have you found on Leyer, if any? Would love to know more about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 04:31 PM) Your Top 7 are almost identical to mine, but the last three we have nothing in common. I can see all three of those guys having a good argument over Shirek just based on potential... but over Hansen and Brennan? What kind of scouting info have you found on Leyer, if any? Would love to know more about him. Leyer has a 92ish fastball if I recall. Plus he's still 19. Olacio had a mid 90s fastball and is 18. Brennan is right behind at 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 QUOTE (danman31 @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 05:00 PM) Leyer has a 92ish fastball if I recall. Plus he's still 19. Olacio had a mid 90s fastball and is 18. Brennan is right behind at 11. Thanks, that's one more piece of info than I had before on Leyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 09:01 PM) Thanks, that's one more piece of info than I had before on Leyer. The Kanny twitter posted impressive velos for pitchers. Daniel Webb was throwing upper 90s out of the pen in the 2nd half of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 01:07 PM) I'd say outfielders as well, there are 4-6 intriguing guys. But the infield in general is barren (with a couple exceptions), and I'm afraid we use most of the good bullpen bullets this year. I'm personally not a huge fan of the ofs besides Courtney. I actually like this group of pitchers though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 08:16 PM) The White Sox. I don't understand the love shown for Beck. Age is 22-23 with modest stats in Pioneer League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 09:32 AM) I don't understand the love shown for Beck. Age is 22-23 with modest stats in Pioneer League. The guy was rated as a first round prospect before he put on a bunch of muscle weight and lost effectiveness. It isn't about his rookie ball stats at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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