zenryan Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 08:17 PM) So if the infielder doesn't make an effort the call won't be made? That doesn't seem right. well if a pop up is halfway between home and 1st, infield fly would be called right away because the is an ordinary play. a ball 30ft into the OF is never just an ordinary baseball play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 This is from MLB's site: An INFIELD FLY is a fair fly ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort, when first and second, or first, second and third bases are occupied, before two are out. The pitcher, catcher and any outfielder who stations himself in the infield on the play shall be considered infielders for the purpose of this rule. When it seems apparent that a batted ball will be an Infield Fly, the umpire shall immediately declare Infield Fly for the benefit of the runners. If the ball is near the baselines, the umpire shall declare Infield Fly, if Fair. The ball is alive and runners may advance at the risk of the ball being caught, or retouch and advance after the ball is touched, the same as on any fly ball. If the hit becomes a foul ball, it is treated the same as any foul. If a declared Infield Fly is allowed to fall untouched to the ground, and bounces foul before passing first or third base, it is a foul ball. If a declared Infield Fly falls untouched to the ground outside the baseline, and bounces fair before passing first or third base, it is an Infield Fly. Rule 2.00 (Infield Fly) Comment: On the infield fly rule the umpire is to rule whether the ball could ordinarily have been handled by an infieldernot by some arbitrary limitation such as the grass, or the base lines. The umpire must rule also that a ball is an infield fly, even if handled by an outfielder, if, in the umpires judgment, the ball could have been as easily handled by an infielder. The infield fly is in no sense to be considered an appeal play. The umpires judgment must govern, and the decision should be made immediately. When an infield fly rule is called, runners may advance at their own risk. If on an infield fly rule, the infielder intentionally drops a fair ball, the ball remains in play despite the provisions of Rule 6.05 (L). The infield fly rule takes precedence. This probably isn't the entire rule, but the bolded "could" suggests that it shouldn't matter if the infielder is making a play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Correct. Its all dependent on position of the infielder. No one to appeal to its his call as he has best position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 QUOTE (zenryan @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 07:20 PM) well if a pop up is halfway between home and 1st, infield fly would be called right away because the is an ordinary play. a ball 30ft into the OF is never just an ordinary baseball play. I agree, but I believe Krush is saying that the infielder getting out there is what made the call correct. Which to me seems wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 08:22 PM) I agree, but I believe Krush is saying that the infielder getting out there is what made the call correct. Which to me seems wrong. It is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 QUOTE (zenryan @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 07:23 PM) It is wrong. Good reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 QUOTE (Disco72 @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 08:16 PM) I've never been an ump, but all of the people on the TBS broadcast seem to think it was the wrong call. Are they wrong? Why? (not being a jerk, just asking) Also, why can't the call be appealed to the other umps? The 3B ump certainly didn't call it that way. It was a bad call IMO. Like Ron Darling said (I think it was him), the call is to prevent a defender from purposely dropping a ball to get a double or triple play. The player was not camped under the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I had a similar call called on me in softball 2 weeks ago and the infielder was nowhere near the ball. The umpire said that it was a routine play for an average second baseperson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I don't see how that is an infield fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 (edited) Really chipper end your career by loafing to first? Edited October 6, 2012 by IlliniKrush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 So I guess Braves fans can't b**** that much now. They got the call on the Chipper play. Craig got his foot back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Cards win! lol the Cards aren't celebrating on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 GO ORIOLES! Also, I didn't see the play in Cards-Braves. I know it's under protest, so is it bad enough to make them replay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Does anyone else have a problem with the Wild Card only being one game? I mean you play 162 games and your reward is a single game to decide your fate. I feel that it should be a three-game series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 O's up 1-0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 07:39 PM) GO ORIOLES! Also, I didn't see the play in Cards-Braves. I know it's under protest, so is it bad enough to make them replay? Pretty sure its a judgement called which cannot be protested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 07:39 PM) GO ORIOLES! Also, I didn't see the play in Cards-Braves. I know it's under protest, so is it bad enough to make them replay? No as it was a judgment call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SexiAlexei Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 QUOTE (IowanSoxFan @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 07:39 PM) Does anyone else have a problem with the Wild Card only being one game? I mean you play 162 games and your reward is a single game to decide your fate. I feel that it should be a three-game series. No, if you want a full series, win the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 QUOTE (SexiAlexei @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 07:47 PM) No, if you want a full series, win the division. I get the point of making it more important to win the division. However, isn't the fact that you don't have to play an extra series enough incentive to win the division. It seems silly, to me at least, to play 162 freaking games and then play a single game to determine the better team. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 QUOTE (SexiAlexei @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 07:47 PM) No, if you want a full series, win the division. I feel like it should be at least a best of 3 series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Also, just think if the Braves were only down a single run or two when the infield fly call happened. They only play one game and the call just costed them the game and their entire season. And the protest has been denied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Hamilton is getting booed at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 09:29 PM) Hamilton is getting booed at home He's part of the reason why they're even playing this game. Plus he's seen something like 5 pitches all game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 QUOTE (SexiAlexei @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 07:47 PM) No, if you want a full series, win the division. So why should Detroit benefit from being in a crappy division and winning less games than either of the teams playing tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Just realized this: McLouth looks like that guy from the Hunger Games movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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