southsider2k5 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Oct 16, 2012 -> 09:03 AM) Also, if I'm Kenny and I'm thinking about possibly moving Viciedo in a big deal for a right-handed ace, I'm going under the radar and targeting Brandon Morrow. The core of the offense is all the wrong side of 30, you really can't move Viciedo until you get a couple of guys to replace that core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Oct 16, 2012 -> 09:03 AM) Also, if I'm Kenny and I'm thinking about possibly moving Viciedo in a big deal for a right-handed ace, I'm going under the radar and targeting Brandon Morrow. Love the Brandon Morrow idea. Problem is, I think Toronto is going to add rather than subtract. I would not be surprised if Toronto is still where Floyd ends up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Oct 16, 2012 -> 09:03 AM) Also, if I'm Kenny and I'm thinking about possibly moving Viciedo in a big deal for a right-handed ace, I'm going under the radar and targeting Brandon Morrow. Yeah, Toronto is definitely looking to add pitching. If anything, they'll be the ones dealing a bat to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 http://sulia.com/channel/baseball/f/ea091b...?source=twitter The White Sox liked what they got from Kevin Youkilis but it's not clear if they can keep him for next season. Youkilis' contract calls for a $13-million club option for 2013, the last year on the deal he signed in Boston, and the White Sox can't afford to pick that up given their other contract issues. They don't have a third baseman in place, however, and don't know if they can count on Brent Morel. They are expected to explore their chances to keep Youkilis on a smaller, multi-year deal but that's problematic. Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com is probably right when he says that Cleveland will bid to sign Youkilis, reuniting him with Terry Francona. The Indians have options at third base in Lonnie Chisenhall and Jack Hannahan but could play Youkilis at first base. Youkilis has relocated to the West Coast and could be an option for teams out there, including the Dodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I don't think we'd have enough to get Morrow anyway. AA is (like KW, Billy Beane, etc.) the type of aggressive GM who will trade anyone for the right price, but the price for someone like Morrow would be through the roof, and rightfully so. IMO though if you're going after a righty ace you target someone like that because you're not signing Felix, Greinke, etc. to deals in excess of $20M per season over several years. Not only does it go against the typical Sox mold, but the upside is limited since you're paying a guy to be an ace every year when in fact he may only live up to his pay in 1/3 or 1/4 of his contract. OTOH, someone like Morrow has only been great in 1 of his several seasons in the league, so in theory if you trade the farm for someone like that you can potentially extend him at a more reasonable rate by dangling enough cash in front of him to get him to forget about free agency. One guy I'd love to get with Coop is Ricky Romero, but we have too many lefties as it is, and one is already owed a lot of money over several seasons, while another is going to become insanely expensive very soon, so adding another $$$ lefty probably isn't a good idea. I just think Coop would "fix" him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I'd trade Quintana & Jones to Pitt for Pedro Alvarez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HectorGabriel Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Oct 19, 2012 -> 09:10 AM) I'd trade Quintana & Jones to Pitt for Pedro Alvarez if we get Alvarez that would be another low on base percentage guy, youk OBP was on the .350 while Alvarez was .317. And a line up with Viciedo, Dunn and Alvarez is gonna be a K party. and we can say that nate jones was our best reliever this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 I don't trade any of the pitching. 2 starters who have been on the staff the longest were on the DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Oct 16, 2012 -> 09:03 AM) Also, if I'm Kenny and I'm thinking about possibly moving Viciedo in a big deal for a right-handed ace, I'm going under the radar and targeting Brandon Morrow. Why would anyone trade an ace for Viceido, even if you do think he'll get better? That's crazy. Brandon Morrow isn't an ace, though I think Toronto will look to keep what pitching they do have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Oct 16, 2012 -> 09:03 AM) Also, if I'm Kenny and I'm thinking about possibly moving Viciedo in a big deal for a right-handed ace, I'm going under the radar and targeting Brandon Morrow. What a contradiction. Brandon Morrow is not an ace. Are you trading for an ace or going under the radar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Who cares? The sox are going to lose against the Royals and choke the division up anyway. People blame Ozzie for losing the past few seasons, but I don't see Robin in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 20, 2012 -> 07:48 PM) Who cares? The sox are going to lose against the Royals and choke the division up anyway. People blame Ozzie for losing the past few seasons, but I don't see Robin in the playoffs. Thankfully Ozzie had that great playoff run as soon as got away from the Sox... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 21, 2012 -> 02:05 AM) Thankfully Ozzie had that great playoff run as soon as got away from the Sox... I think he's trolling and pretending to be greg again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 21, 2012 -> 01:43 PM) I think he's trolling and pretending to be greg again. I don't know why I'm considered a troll. I'm not trying to be. I just think the amount of bad rep Ozzie gets on here is a bit much. Robin did well, but not that much better than how Ozzie did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 21, 2012 -> 03:01 PM) I don't know why I'm considered a troll. I'm not trying to be. I just think the amount of bad rep Ozzie gets on here is a bit much. Robin did well, but not that much better than how Ozzie did. Robin took a less talented team, with more rookies, and turned them into competitors. It's night and day in the differences between Ozzie's performance in 2011 and Robin's in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 And seriously, you have the same freakin talking points as Greg, there is way to much similarity between the two for it to not be A. Greg or Greg related person (family, friend) B. Some terrible prank by another poster, lurker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 21, 2012 -> 03:19 PM) B. Some terrible prank by another poster, lurker My guess is this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Oct 19, 2012 -> 02:10 PM) I'd trade Quintana & Jones to Pitt for Pedro Alvarez I wouldn't. QUOTE (PuertoRicanSoxFan @ Oct 20, 2012 -> 12:15 AM) if we get Alvarez that would be another low on base percentage guy, youk OBP was on the .350 while Alvarez was .317. And a line up with Viciedo, Dunn and Alvarez is gonna be a K party. and we can say that nate jones was our best reliever this season. This is why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 could we have any shot at justin upton? viciedo/sanchez/reed for him? i have no idea, just throwing something out there, please dont flame me hahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 could we have any shot at justin upton? viciedo/sanchez/reed for him? i have no idea, just throwing something out there, please dont flame me hahahaha 2 of the 3 (I would think) should be enough for that deal... Reed shouldn't be included. PTBN instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 it'd have to be a decent PTBN. i dont think viciedo/sanchez would be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Regarding trading for Justin Upton; A right handed, 5 tool right fielder is not one of the needs for the Sox. They already have Rios, who is arguably the best position player on the team. The holes are; catcher, 3RD base and a right handed ace to balance the starting rotation. I suspect that management will concentrate on those needs? I'd like to see them bring back A. J., as he not only fills the catching hole, but provides left handed power, which this team needs, especially with the questions about Dunn's unacceptable batting average and high strike outs. Third base is a big question mark. Do they bring back Youk, go after A-Rod or look elsewhere? To fill the need for a right handed ace, I'd love to see them find someone who will be in his free agent year, who is on a noncontending team, and try to trade for his one year services. Are there any good candidates for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 To fill the need for a right handed ace, I'd love to see them find someone who will be in his free agent year, who is on a noncontending team, and try to trade for his one year services. Are there any good candidates for that? That sounds exactly like Gavin Floyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 26, 2012 -> 08:29 AM) That sounds exactly like Gavin Floyd. Yeah just like Floyd....minus the Ace part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 21, 2012 -> 02:16 PM) Robin took a less talented team, with more rookies, and turned them into competitors. It's night and day in the differences between Ozzie's performance in 2011 and Robin's in 2012. I can't agree with this 100%. This year's team seemed more talented. In the big picture the result was the same. No competitors when it comes to the veterans. They choke no matter who's managing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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