RME JICO Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Glad Dunn sat out again this year or he would've had another "worst" record. Last year it was batting average and this year it was K's. He also qualified for 50% TTO: http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/10/3...comes-milestone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Oakland led MLB in team strikeouts and they won 94 games. The Sox had 184 fewer strikeouts than Oakland and won 85 games. Oakland had a K/BB ratio of 2.52, the Sox had a K/BB ratio of 2.61. Maybe sometime this decade people will realize that K/BB ratio matters more than strikeout totals. Sox K/BB ratios: Konerko 1.48 Youk 1.86 Dunn 2.11 Beckham 2.23 De Aza 2.32 AJ 2.79 Rios 3.54 Viciedo 4.29 Ramirez 4.81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 QUOTE (RME JICO @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 09:22 PM) Glad Dunn sat out again this year or he would've had another "worst" record. Last year it was batting average and this year it was K's. He also qualified for 50% TTO: http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/10/3...comes-milestone I really didn't care too much if he set the strikeout record. Not that big of a deal, but just as a side note Dunn did not set the lowest batting average last year. He didn't have the required PAs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyAcosta41 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 06:55 AM) I really didn't care too much if he set the strikeout record. Not that big of a deal, but just as a side note Dunn did not set the lowest batting average last year. He didn't have the required PAs. You are correct -- Dunn did not set the lowest batting average record last year. They sat him and didn't let him hit. By the end of 2011, things had gotten so bad for Dunn that he was defeated before he saw the first pitch of the at-bat. To his credit, in various places he's admitted (or alluded to) as much. I think what the OP was getting at was that this is now two consecutive years that Dunn would have likely set a "worst ever" record if it hadn't have been for kinder and gentler souls sitting him down. I'm not an Adam Dunn hater. He is what he is. Personally, if I were putting together a team, I would want other ways to achieve roster balance than by having a three outcome lumbering slugger on my team. And he sure as heck would never, ever (NEVER) see the #3 hole. The problem that I have with Dunn is that 120 to maybe 160 K's can work for an otherwise productive slugger. The history of baseball is filled with such players. But 180, 200, 222? That's truly obscene and there are absolutely times that it's deflating for the team, the fans, and yes, even the player (and, again, Dunn is candid enough that he has admitted this too). I'm still not sure why Dunn doesn't do what pure sluggers have done for generations -- that is, be who he is until he gets two strikes, but then simply try and make good, solid contact once he does have two strikes. By all accounts and appearances, he's a good overall athlete who would still hit a reasonable amount of HRs and 2Bs even with a more controlled two-strike swing. His batting average would go up, the strikeouts would come down, and arguably (arguably!), his RBIs would go up too (I'd guess more times he'd get a valuable 2-strike hit than the elusive 2-strike HR) and even his already good BB total would increase too (pitchers would pitch him more carefully with two strikes than they do now). I'm certain this approach (done for ages with sluggers) has been considered by Dunn. No doubt he did do this earlier in his career. For whatever reason, either he or the Sox, or both, have considered it and rejected it. In my opinion, bad, bad choice (and get him out of the #3 hole!!!!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 06:50 AM) Oakland led MLB in team strikeouts and they won 94 games. The Sox had 184 fewer strikeouts than Oakland and won 85 games. Oakland had a K/BB ratio of 2.52, the Sox had a K/BB ratio of 2.61. Maybe sometime this decade people will realize that K/BB ratio matters more than strikeout totals. Sox K/BB ratios: Konerko 1.48 Youk 1.86 Dunn 2.11 Beckham 2.23 De Aza 2.32 AJ 2.79 Rios 3.54 Viciedo 4.29 Ramirez 4.81 The Sox scored 748 runs. Oakland scored 713. The Sox offense was better than Oakland's. Maybe strikeouts do limit your team's offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) Dunn led the league in walks and hit 41 homers. How bad do the rest of your ABs have to be to have an .800 OPS? He was a .139 hitter in the 498 ABs he didn't hit a homer. Edited October 4, 2012 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 The Sox scored 748 runs. Oakland scored 713. The Sox offense was better than Oakland's. Maybe strikeouts do limit your team's offense. Scoring 713 at the Oakland Colosseum is a far better offensive performance than scoring 748 at US Cellular Field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 05:50 AM) Oakland led MLB in team strikeouts and they won 94 games. The Sox had 184 fewer strikeouts than Oakland and won 85 games. Oakland had a K/BB ratio of 2.52, the Sox had a K/BB ratio of 2.61. Maybe sometime this decade people will realize that K/BB ratio matters more than strikeout totals. Sox K/BB ratios: Konerko 1.48 Youk 1.86 Dunn 2.11 Beckham 2.23 De Aza 2.32 AJ 2.79 Rios 3.54 Viciedo 4.29 Ramirez 4.81 It's when the Ks happen that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 10:43 AM) Scoring 713 at the Oakland Colosseum is a far better offensive performance than scoring 748 at US Cellular Field. Most importantly, Oakland had better starting pitching, and a MUCH better bullpen, especially the 2nd half of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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