southsider2k5 Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 QUOTE (ptatc @ May 10, 2013 -> 07:43 AM) That will not be as effective as actual games. Working out doesn't simulate throwing enough. Side sessions are fine between pitching but again it's not like games. He and the sox are better off having him in the minors until he is ready. I wish someone would pass this on to Derrick Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 QUOTE (ptatc @ May 10, 2013 -> 07:43 AM) That will not be as effective as actual games. Working out doesn't simulate throwing enough. Side sessions are fine between pitching but again it's not like games. He and the sox are better off having him in the minors until he is ready. Just kind of as an aside to this, in the next CBA or hopefully before, there needs to be language that allows any team paying any player X amount per year or higher (like 7-8M or something) to option a recovering player down to the minor leagues as long as they feel is necessary for up to 1 full season and without having to pay out an option year whether there is one available or not. I think money, player egos, agents, option years, etc. can all kind of force teams to take back a player when he shouldn't be out there and that isn't going to help anyone involved. I hope in Danks case that he can come back when he's ready, but only when he's ready, without hurting the team, and I hope that egos and attitudes don't get in the way. Danks seems like a pretty likable guy so I hope there's no hard feelings if he has to stay down there longer than he wants to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 10, 2013 -> 08:48 AM) I wish someone would pass this on to Derrick Rose If he doesn't want to be out there then I don't want him out there anyway. If he's just being a dickwad when welcome to the era of prima donna superstar athletes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ May 10, 2013 -> 09:52 AM) Just kind of as an aside to this, in the next CBA or hopefully before, there needs to be language that allows any team paying any player X amount per year or higher (like 7-8M or something) to option a recovering player down to the minor leagues as long as they feel is necessary for up to 1 full season and without having to pay out an option year whether there is one available or not. I think money, player egos, agents, option years, etc. can all kind of force teams to take back a player when he shouldn't be out there and that isn't going to help anyone involved. I hope in Danks case that he can come back when he's ready, but only when he's ready, without hurting the team, and I hope that egos and attitudes don't get in the way. Danks seems like a pretty likable guy so I hope there's no hard feelings if he has to stay down there longer than he wants to. If the team does not believe Danks is ready to go, they can slap him back onto the DL and then restart his rehab stint. Not sure if there are any specific rules about that, but as long as they're not using it to hide a player who isn't hurt, MLB won't complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ May 10, 2013 -> 08:54 AM) If he doesn't want to be out there then I don't want him out there anyway. If he's just being a dickwad when welcome to the era of prima donna superstar athletes. It may not be this. I think I posted this elsewhere but as soon as he said he wasn't coming back until he felt "normal" I said he wouldn't be back this year. You can get medical clearance to play around 8-10 months. The knee is structurally sound. However, when you talk to professional athletes they say you don't feel "normal" until around 18 months post-op. Some speculate that it is due to nerve regeneration which takes about that much time. With his style of game and his comments about feeling "normal", it's not surprising he isn't playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 QUOTE (ptatc @ May 10, 2013 -> 10:13 AM) It may not be this. I think I posted this elsewhere but as soon as he said he wasn't coming back until he felt "normal" I said he wouldn't be back this year. You can get medical clearance to play around 8-10 months. The knee is structurally sound. However, when you talk to professional athletes they say you don't feel "normal" until around 18 months post-op. Some speculate that it is due to nerve regeneration which takes about that much time. With his style of game and his comments about feeling "normal", it's not surprising he isn't playing. That's kind of what I meant but him not wanting to be out there, I mean if he doesn't feel he's healthy, isn't confident, whatever, then I don't want him out there anyway. I haven't been following the whole thing because I don't want to dislike Derrick Rose at all, or be pushed into disliking him. The Reggie stuff was really the only thing that got to me, but more because I would worry about the people around Rose trying to turn him into something he wasn't before, like a prima donna superstar athlete for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 http://www.milb.com/gameday/index.jsp?gid=...mp;mode=gameday No walks, Johnny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 So far- 3 Innings. 5 Hits. 2 ER. 0 BB, 2 K 51 pitches, 38 strikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I've accepted that we're never going to see a 5 WAR John Danks again, or it's highly, highly unlikely. I'd settle for 2-3 WAR Danks however. There is a chance he's never effective as a MLB pitcher again however, and that really sucks for a team already weighed down with cord upon cord of dead wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 4th- Ground out walk, caught stealing (Bryan Anderson) Strikeout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Danks is probably done. 6 IP, 7 hits, 3 runs, 2 er, 3 bb, 5 k 101 pitches, 66 strikes. I don't know. Maybe one more rehab start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ May 12, 2013 -> 04:06 PM) Danks is probably done. 6 IP, 7 hits, 3 runs, 2 er, 3 bb, 5 k 101 pitches, 66 strikes. I don't know. Maybe one more rehab start. what was his velocity? many swinging strikes? I'm skeptical until I see him sitting at 90-91 that he'll every be the same pitcher. Colin at SSS has done a lot of research on injuries like his and it's not pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Danks is probably done. 6 IP, 7 hits, 3 runs, 2 er, 3 bb, 5 k 101 pitches, 66 strikes. I don't know. Maybe one more rehab start. John allowed 2, Jordan drove in 3, so a net +1 for the family. Is that the first time they've played together? Professionally, I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Danks is getting at least one more start in the minors. I'm going to say his first start is at home against Miami next Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ May 13, 2013 -> 07:14 PM) Danks is getting at least one more start in the minors. I'm going to say his first start is at home against Miami next Friday. Makes sense, 2 more starts against AAA teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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