chw42 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Oct 13, 2012 -> 09:02 PM) I'd be okay with paying him about $8M a year That's about market value for him at this point. He's a 2-3 WAR player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 13, 2012 -> 10:20 PM) Scott Boras is a f***ing genius. As much as us fans hate him, if I were a player I would want him as my agent. Strasburg probably doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 13, 2012 -> 10:54 PM) Strasburg probably doesn't. That depends. Does Strasburg care about winning now or maximizing his career earning potential? Now he has less innings on his arm and his team was upset in the playoffs without its ace, which makes him seem more valuable. That's Boras for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 14, 2012 -> 04:05 AM) That depends. Does Strasburg care about winning now or maximizing his career earning potential? Now he has less innings on his arm and his team was upset in the playoffs without its ace, which makes him seem more valuable. That's Boras for you. Everything I've seen/heard from Strasburg makes it seem like he desperately wanted to try and help the Nats win now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Everything I've seen/heard from Strasburg makes it seem like he desperately wanted to try and help the Nats win now. Yup, exactly what Boras wants you to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Oct 14, 2012 -> 04:16 AM) Yup, exactly what Boras wants you to think. What convinced me was when he pitched that game against the Marlins (I believe) which he just got rocked and they immediately shut him down after the game because he supposedly wasn't sleeping well due to the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 13, 2012 -> 11:08 PM) Everything I've seen/heard from Strasburg makes it seem like he desperately wanted to try and help the Nats win now. If that's the case, then yes, Strasburg may now regret hiring the "best" agent in baseball, who cares 100% about $$$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 13, 2012 -> 11:18 PM) What convinced me was when he pitched that game against the Marlins (I believe) which he just got rocked and they immediately shut him down after the game because he supposedly wasn't sleeping well due to the decision. They shut him down then because he got rocked and it's easier to say that he needs to rest. If he took his next start and pitched 8 shutout innings, how do you tell your fanbase that he can't pitch anymore? Much easier to do after a horrible start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 14, 2012 -> 04:20 AM) They shut him down then because he got rocked and it's easier to say that he needs to rest. If he took his next start and pitched 8 shutout innings, how do you tell your fanbase that he can't pitch anymore? Much easier to do after a horrible start. He just looked like a totally different pitcher in that game. I see your point though about making it easier to shut him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 If the Yankees eat a lot, I'd do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 QUOTE (daggins @ Oct 13, 2012 -> 04:27 PM) Nope! Attendance boosts don't work if everyone hates the player. So simple, so true. This should be the extent of analysis by KW & Friends if it should ever present itself as a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Depending on how much New York eats, I don't know, couldn't be all that bad could it? I guess after Dunn is gone you could move him to DH. He's not putting up terrible numbers (112 OPS+), but its going more, and more, downhill every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I'm trying to figure out: (1) Would the Yankees ever pick up the $18-$20 million per year they would need to pick up to make dealing A-Rod palatable. (many say no) (2) Would the new team have to pick up the marketing bonuses for his 700th home run, 763 home run, etc. (this could be a deal killer) (3) Who would the Yankees replace him with at 3rd base? They would have just as big a problem as the White Sox would have in replacing Youkilis. (could be the ultimate deal killer). They could wait out one more year and make a run at Chase Headley or David Wright. No need to do it 2013. He's likely to still have an above average year. At the end of the day, I'm not sure they'd get a taker at anything less than them picking up $80-$100 million of the $114 million in salary and $20 million of the $30 million in marketing bonuses. At that level of payment, it may make more sense to keep him and see if he turns it around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 If ARod goes anywhere, you'd have to think it would be the Dodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 14, 2012 -> 10:03 AM) If ARod goes anywhere, you'd have to think it would be the Dodgers. Truth. And that would be called spending your way right out of contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Oct 14, 2012 -> 07:10 AM) I'm trying to figure out: (1) Would the Yankees ever pick up the $18-$20 million per year they would need to pick up to make dealing A-Rod palatable. (many say no) (2) Would the new team have to pick up the marketing bonuses for his 700th home run, 763 home run, etc. (this could be a deal killer) At the end of the day, I'm not sure they'd get a taker at anything less than them picking up $80-$100 million of the $114 million in salary and $20 million of the $30 million in marketing bonuses. At that level of payment, it may make more sense to keep him and see if he turns it around. Williams: How about Nick Swisher for Alex Rodriguez, but you eat a large portion of his salary and all of the clown bonuses that someone managed to write in. Cashman: What? Nick Swisher is on our team already. He's been on our team for 4 years, hitting .270 with 105 HR and 349 RBI. Williams: ... Cashman: Oh. Regarding bonuses and salaries- is it permissible to write safeguards against PED usage into the literature of a contract (or if not the contract itself, something you could insure against along the lines of what you see with some injuries)? Ideally, there would be something in the collective bargaining agreement, but I doubt there is seeing as MLPA didn't even want to allow tests that draw blood. Edited October 14, 2012 by Swingandalongonetoleft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 A-Rod, with his current 0/3, is now 3 for 38 lifetime against the Tigers in the playoffs (as a Yankee), dating back to 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 QUOTE (IowanSoxFan @ Oct 13, 2012 -> 06:03 PM) Just no. Please no. This. There's just no reasonable way this would be worthwhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 If it fits in the White Sox budget you do it without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 14, 2012 -> 10:03 AM) If ARod goes anywhere, you'd have to think it would be the Dodgers. Do they have any money left after their Boston orgy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Oct 15, 2012 -> 10:20 AM) If it fits in the White Sox budget you do it without a doubt. I would agree. If NY wants to take on a huge chunk of the contract, I'd say go for it. I just don't see it happening, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I would agree that getting tghe A-Rod is an intriguing idea, but a few years past being a major impact move. I would hate to think we would satrt giving up young talent again for a player on the decline. But, I don't see the Yankees doing this. If it did I would imagine you would have a reenergized A-Rod for at leat one year. He could put up some real good numbers but would it last the term of his contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 QUOTE (scenario @ Oct 13, 2012 -> 09:12 PM) Trade for a 37 year old 3B with injury issues, declining production, and 5 years left on his contract? this. might as well renegotiate with Youk then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 QUOTE (Wanne @ Oct 15, 2012 -> 11:47 AM) this. might as well renegotiate with Youk then. KW would probably wait 3 years to pull the trigger. Kenny likes to make sure the talent is drained before signing them as in the case of Griffey Jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 QUOTE (Wanne @ Oct 15, 2012 -> 04:47 PM) this. might as well renegotiate with Youk then. Truthfully I would rather keep Youkilis on the Chisox. I think he is a better team player and liked by his teammates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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