Lillian Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2012 -> 06:43 AM) Except Youk wouldn't turn down the offer because he knows he isn't getting that amount of money over two years, let alone one, in the free agent market. That would be fine with me. Wouldn't you take him on another one year deal, after next season? How much do you think that arbitration would award him, assuming that he had the kind of year he had this past season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) Isn't the qualifying offer over $12 million or close? Just read it should be between 12-13 million this year, and will probably be close to that next I would imagine. Edited October 18, 2012 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Oct 18, 2012 -> 07:49 AM) That would be fine with me. Wouldn't you take him on another one year deal, after next season? How much do you think that arbitration would award him, assuming that he had the kind of year he had this past season? At $13 million? That is 2-3X's what he is worth. Yeah he was better than Morel, but Youk didn't have a good season, even when you throw out what he did in Boston. Looking at OPS he was 6th out of 10 AL 3B with 400 PAs on this season. In terms of WAR he was dead last. Expand that to all MLB 3B with 400 PAs and he was 17 of 21 in OPS, and 20th in WAR. That's pretty bad. Not to mention the guy will be a 34 year old with a bad back by the time opening day rolls around. Youk has gone through some pretty serious regression the last two years. If we can get him on a deal, sure bring him back. Odds are he is going to play something in the range of 120 games, if we are lucky and he stays healthy. If the back goes out, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Perhaps I'm too influenced by the unbelievable number of games in which Youk played such an integral part of wins, during that portion of the season when he joined the Sox. He was arguably our best clutch hitter for the first couple of months he was on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Oct 18, 2012 -> 08:29 AM) Perhaps I'm too influenced by the unbelievable number of games in which Youk played such an integral part of wins, during that portion of the season when he joined the Sox. He was arguably our best clutch hitter for the first couple of months he was on the team. Yeah, and then he fell apart. His OPSs to finish the season .874/.853/.663/.400 from July to October (granted there was only a few games in October) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2012 -> 07:56 AM) At $13 million? That is 2-3X's what he is worth. Yeah he was better than Morel, but Youk didn't have a good season, even when you throw out what he did in Boston. Looking at OPS he was 6th out of 10 AL 3B with 400 PAs on this season. In terms of WAR he was dead last. Expand that to all MLB 3B with 400 PAs and he was 17 of 21 in OPS, and 20th in WAR. That's pretty bad. Not to mention the guy will be a 34 year old with a bad back by the time opening day rolls around. Youk has gone through some pretty serious regression the last two years. If we can get him on a deal, sure bring him back. Odds are he is going to play something in the range of 120 games, if we are lucky and he stays healthy. If the back goes out, who knows. ++1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 How would the money paid by New York, in a trade for ARod, affect their salary cap issues? If the money being paid would not be factored into that equation, that might provide more incentive for the Yankees to dump him, even if they had to pay a large portion of his salary. What are the rules regarding money paid for a player no longer on the team? Could they avoid having that money count toward future season salary caps by giving the receiving team a lump sum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Why in the flying f*** would Miami trade for A-Rod, even at 10-20% of his salary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick A-Rod had a 1.067 OPS to win MVP award in 2007. His OPS since then: .965, .933, .847, .823, .783. #yankees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2...engale/1639977/ Nightengale: A-Rod likely a Bronx goner Bob Nightengale, USA TODAY SportsShare The Yankees and Alex Rodriguez may find their relationship frayed beyond repair The club may look to trade their third baseman in the offseason However, moving his $114 million in remaining salar will be difficult 1:41AM EDT October 18. 2012 - DETROIT -- Take a good, long hard look at him. This will be the last time you'll ever see Alex Rodriguez in a New York Yankees uniform. We might have already seen him play his last game for the Bronx Bombers. The Yankees, desperate for offense, and set to play in an elimination game Wednesday night, benched their greatest and most expensive star for the second consecutive game. Though Game 4 of the American League Championship Series against the Detroit Tigers was postponed by rain, the Yankees already tipped their hand and had him on the bench, leaving A-Rod humiliated. The Yankees are making it loud and clear they want Rodriguez out as quickly as possible. Rodriguez, his pride and ego damaged beyond repair, is now telling close friends that he won't stand in the way. Rodriguez, who has a full no-trade clause, won't ask to be traded, a person familiar with Rodriguez's thinking told USA TODAY Sports. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the situation. A-Rod has enough image problems without adding to his blooper reel. Yet, when you are benched in the biggest games of the season, or removed for pinch-hitters in the most crucial situations, why would you want to play where you're not wanted? "I come to the ballpark feeling I can help the team win,'' Rodriguez said, engulfed by reporters, "and when you see your name is not in the lineup, obviously it's disappointing. "I want to play. I'll always believe the lineup is better with me in it.'' The Yankees aren't even giving Rodriguez a chance to fail anymore, with Yankee general manager Brian Cashman using a public forum to say: "That doesn't mean he's done. That he's finished. That he is not capable. ... Right now we are adjusting to what we're seeing.'' Rodriguez, in turn, is adjusting to the Yankees' actions. He will welcome a trade, the person says, but it must to be to another big-market club. Hint: He won't be going to the Pittsburgh Pirates. The most likely choices would be the Miami Marlins, Los Angeles Angels, Chicago White Sox and the Los Angeles Dodgers. Cashman vehemently denied a report by Keith Olbermann for MLB.com that said the Yankees have already discussed a deal to the Miami Marlins. "I've had no discussions whatsoever with the Florida Marlins,'' Cashman said, but then again, didn't deny talks with the Miami Marlins. "I can tell you there are no discussions whatsoever, 100% false. We are not down the line on any trade talks on any of our players, including Alex.'' A-Rod sat once again in Game 4 of the ALCS, leaving him absolutely humiliated, becoming the richest man ever benched in baseball postseason history. What Cashman failed to say was, "If the Marlins truly want him, we'll purchase 10,000 season tickets for you, and take manager Ozzie Guillen, too." The deal that makes the most sense is trading A-Rod to the Angels for outfielder Vernon Wells. The Angels don't want Wells, who has two years and $42 million remaining in his deal. They need a power-hitting third baseman, and want to make room in the outfield for free agent Torii Hunter, who has been offered only a one-year contract at a heavy pay cut from his $18 million salary, while seeking at least a two-year deal. The Yankees would gladly take Wells for Rodriguez, but the problem, of course, will be money: How much will the Yankees have to kick in? Rodriguez has five years, $114 million remaining on his deal, and four general managers and executives say that Rodriguez is probably worth about $7 million to $10 million a year, and certainly not more than $12 million. "I'm sure there's going to be a lot of speculation where A-Rod might go,'' says Milwaukee Brewers general manager Doug Melvin, who signed Rodriguez to that staggering 10-year, $250 million contract in 2000 while with the Texas Rangers. "Who knows what will happen? "We used to go to the winter meetings and make trades. Baseball has always had the best off-season of any sport. But now with some of these contracts, we've become like the NBA. You take my two guys, I'll take yours, and we'll release them at the end of the year. "They're not trades. They're business deals.'' It was quite a different picture, back in 2000, when Rodriguez signed his deal. He was 24 years old. He was the best player in baseball. Melvin and his staff told owner Tom Hicks that Rodriguez was easily a $20-million-a-year player. Hicks paid him $25 million a year instead, figuring he'd be worth the extra loot in ticket sales and marketing, with Rodriguez even vowing to move to Texas. Rodriguez bought a house in Dallas, just as he promised, he just never happened to live in it. Yet, while the Rangers never won anything while Rodriguez was around, he still was a star. He led the American League in homers each of his three years in Texas, with 52, 57 and 47 homers in 2001-2003, and drove in 395 runs. "I can't say it was an awful contract,'' Melvin told USA TODAY Sports, "he was the Mike Trout of baseball. From 25 to 31 (years old), he was the best player in baseball, and playing a premium position. "We viewed it as a seven-year contract, not a 10-year deal. We knew he would opt out.'' It was the Yankees who panicked, and blew it, when A-Rod opted out after the 2007 season. He bluffed, and the Yankees went for the bait, giving him a 10-year, $275 million contract that pays him until the age of 42. "When a player gets to the age of 32 to 34,'' Melvin said, "you start to get concerned about the age factor. You start to see injuries. And if they're locked into a long-term deal, those contracts are very hard to walk away from.'' Welcome to the Yankees' world. They have the highest-paid player in baseball history who never plays, but has become a sideshow for the tabloids. The latest escapade was getting caught in Game 1 by the New York Post for flirting with two women after he was removed as a pinch-hitter. Rodriguez denied it, but no one else has, only for Yankee executives to say that A-Rod isn't being benched for his pick-up lines. When you have to wonder if it's the poor production or the off-field distractions, well, it's time to go. The circus is over. The Yankees are making it clear they want Rodriguez out as soon as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Okay, well if the NY media is going to force Hank Steinbrenner into having Brian Cashman doing something stupid, then sure, I'd take ARod. Let's see how dumb you guys can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I don't want Robin burdened with a "celebrity" like him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Oct 18, 2012 -> 02:22 PM) I don't want Robin burdened with a "celebrity" like him If Robin can get Dunn & Rios to screw their heads on straight then he can probably turn water into wine, walk on water, etc. Pretty much anything except manage a bullpen. I doubt ARod would be a problem. If you believe the NY media, he's more or less been Jeter's puppy dog since Day 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Oct 18, 2012 -> 02:38 PM) If Robin can get Dunn & Rios to screw their heads on straight then he can probably turn water into wine, walk on water, etc. Pretty much anything except manage a bullpen. I doubt ARod would be a problem. If you believe the NY media, he's more or less been Jeter's puppy dog since Day 1. Ventura played his career in Chicago, NY, and LA. I think he can handle the media and star players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 It would seem ARod is probably going to at least attempted to be moved, but I think the guy in real trouble is Girardi. How he has thrown stars under the bus this series has been amazing. The only struggling guy he hasn't is Cano. He's totally panicked and it hasn't worked. Gardner with 4 AB since April? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 18, 2012 -> 02:51 PM) It would seem ARod is probably going to at least attempted to be moved, but I think the guy in real trouble is Girardi. How he has thrown stars under the bus this series has been amazing. The only struggling guy he hasn't is Cano. He's totally panicked and it hasn't worked. Gardner with 4 AB since April? Had ST held the reins to the White Sox in the last month, we very well could have said the same thing about Robin Ventura. From a non-financial standpoint, I'd love to have A-Rod play for us. I don't think he's a bad guy. I can hardly remember a thing he's ever said, short of his using steroids...great, so did everyone else. I think he's handled this playoff stuff fairly well so far. Including the finances, could get tricky... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Link This article has A-Rod addition unlikely, however it does say Kenny is moving upstairs with Hahn taking over. This is from today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The rumors picked up pretty quick, as they are now discussing it on WGN news . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 18, 2012 -> 10:37 PM) The rumors picked up pretty quick, as they are now discussing it on WGN news . I'm not sure how much I like the idea of him playing for the sox but I plan on being there for spring training in Az.this march and would think my grandson might like to see AROD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I'm just gonna keep posting this every so often: QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 17, 2012 -> 10:09 PM) Alex Rodriguez OPS: 2007: 1.067 2008: .965 2009: .933 2010: .847 2011: .823 2012: .783 He will turn 38 next July. PEDs & greenies are illegal. Keep that in mind people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 A-Rod was still a very good offensive player until mid-season last year, when he had arthroscopic surgery on his knee. Since then, his performance has fallen off pretty dramatically. Moreover, he didn't play much the second half of last season. If he has not used steroids since way back in 2003, as he claims, then that issue should not be much of a factor in evaluating his performance capability. He still looks to be in pretty good shape, and is not too old to be productive, for at least a couple more years. Of course, no one would expect him to produce like he did when he was in his prime, but at a reduced price he could contribute. The biggest concern would be those last 2 or 3 years of the remaining 5 years on that awful contract. We can debate what he might be worth at ages 38 to 40, but we might all agree that we wouldn't want him at any cost after that. It will be very interesting to see how much Cashman will be willing to kick in on a trade. Can anyone shed more light on A-Rod's steroid and injury history, over the last couple of years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 So his OPS might be .760 next year. Tell me where we get a 3B that will be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 19, 2012 -> 07:47 AM) So his OPS might be .760 next year. Tell me where we get a 3B that will be better. And what's it going to be in 2015, 2016, 2017 when he is 40+? I would take him for the next year or two, sure. But his contract still has five years on it, and you can't change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 19, 2012 -> 07:47 AM) So his OPS might be .760 next year. Tell me where we get a 3B that will be better. This one is on my wish list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 19, 2012 -> 08:03 AM) This one is on my wish list He won't fit with the White Sox as he has on base skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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