Balta1701 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 MLB will ban the fake to third, throw to first move. It will be a balk from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 26, 2013 -> 05:39 PM) MLB will ban the fake to third, throw to first move. It will be a balk from now on. Uh, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 QUOTE (MAX @ Jan 27, 2013 -> 09:45 PM) Uh, why? To make a slow, unfriendly to television game less slow, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Cue the "Rick Hahn is sleeping and/or dead" militia: Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal #Rays agree with free-agent 2B Kelly Johnson on one-year contract, sources tell me and @jonmorosi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 3rd to 1st fake is still a blatant balk. It's obviously never used to attempt to pick the runner off 3B, so it essentially amounts to a fake throw towards 1st (which only works about 1% of the time). It's illegal and deceptive towards a runner that is forced to make a split decision on whether to run upon contact. QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 28, 2013 -> 10:01 AM) Cue the "Rick Hahn is sleeping and/or dead" militia: Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal #Rays agree with free-agent 2B Kelly Johnson on one-year contract, sources tell me and @jonmorosi. Bummer. Rays make another good signing. Can't wait until Johnson hits .320 with 10 homers and then signs a $24 million contract next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 28, 2013 -> 10:01 AM) Cue the "Rick Hahn is sleeping and/or dead" militia: Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal #Rays agree with free-agent 2B Kelly Johnson on one-year contract, sources tell me and @jonmorosi. He would have been the perfect insurance for Gordon. Although I doubt Johnson would have accepted a bench or platoon role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 28, 2013 -> 12:37 PM) He would have been the perfect insurance for Gordon. Although I doubt Johnson would have accepted a bench or platoon role. Last year their OPSs were about the same. Johnson also struck out 160 times and is nowhere near the defender Beckham is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 28, 2013 -> 10:12 AM) 3rd to 1st fake is still a blatant balk. It's obviously never used to attempt to pick the runner off 3B, so it essentially amounts to a fake throw towards 1st (which only works about 1% of the time). It's illegal and deceptive towards a runner that is forced to make a split decision on whether to run upon contact. I've always thought that the 1st to 3rd was a blatant balk as well however, I have a question about the whole pitcher & runner thing that maybe someone can help me with. Why is it that the pitcher is not allowed to decieve the runner while the runner can make false starts and jiggle around as much as he wants to decieve the pitcher, catcher, and infielders? It just seems a little unfair fair to me. I would think that it would be better to either allow both the pitcher and runner to try and decieve each other, or niether. Actually, even though it may make the game longer, it might be pretty entertaining to watch a pitcher and a runner try to fake each other out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 QUOTE (balfanman @ Jan 28, 2013 -> 01:34 PM) I've always thought that the 1st to 3rd was a blatant balk as well however, I have a question about the whole pitcher & runner thing that maybe someone can help me with. Why is it that the pitcher is not allowed to decieve the runner while the runner can make false starts and jiggle around as much as he wants to decieve the pitcher, catcher, and infielders? It just seems a little unfair fair to me. I would think that it would be better to either allow both the pitcher and runner to try and decieve each other, or niether. Actually, even though it may make the game longer, it might be pretty entertaining to watch a pitcher and a runner try to fake each other out. My best guess would be that it's due to the fact that the pitcher essentially controls the flow to the game and can always throw over there no matter what. On top of that, the runner has to worry about fielders around him, the catcher after the pitch is thrown, and then what to do upon the batter making contact. At any given time, he has about 3 things he's worrying about. Meanwhile, the pitcher will likely have 1 runner (either 1st or 2nd, regardless of man on 3rd) and the hitter to worry about, and that's at the very most. Allowing pitchers to fake throw to 1B from the set position would virutally eliminate the stolen base because it would be way too dangerous to steal any more and there'd be no inherent risk in throwing to 1B. You'd also see 1Bman playing off the base because if you can fake it to 1B, there's no point in requiring a 1B to stand there the entire time too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS Padres agree to deal with freddy garcia, as @jcrasnick said. Has shot at rotation spot there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I do not like the 3rd to 1st rule change whatsoever. It may frustrate you to watch since it rarely results in a pick off, but it hampers the running game for the pitcher. That fake to third may induce a baserunner who plans to steal to take off early or have to wait longer before he goes, both of which are wins for the pitcher. What will this rule change do? Save a minute on average per game? Appealing to the lowest common denominator in viewership IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 28, 2013 -> 06:05 PM) I do not like the 3rd to 1st rule change whatsoever. It may frustrate you to watch since it rarely results in a pick off, but it hampers the running game for the pitcher. That fake to third may induce a baserunner who plans to steal to take off early or have to wait longer before he goes, both of which are wins for the pitcher. What will this rule change do? Save a minute on average per game? Appealing to the lowest common denominator in viewership IMO If he wants to check the runner at 1st, he can either throw over or take his foot off the rubber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 29, 2013 -> 08:08 AM) If he wants to check the runner at 1st, he can either throw over or take his foot off the rubber. It's quite different, the leg going straight up looks much more like a pitch is happening than a simple check down to 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 29, 2013 -> 09:00 AM) It's quite different, the leg going straight up looks much more like a pitch is happening than a simple check down to 1st. Which is deceptive to the runner on 1st base, hence why they are starting to call this a balk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 29, 2013 -> 09:10 AM) Which is deceptive to the runner on 1st base, hence why they are starting to call this a balk. Right, but Jake's point was that it hurts the pitcher vs. a base stealer immensely and why he is upset by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 29, 2013 -> 09:25 AM) Right, but Jake's point was that it hurts the pitcher vs. a base stealer immensely and why he is upset by it. Naturally. They are removing an obvious advantage a pitcher had, which directly influences the baserunner, thus, the baserunner will gain an advantage. It doesn't make it wrong. They haven't removed the ability for the pitcher to check on the runner - he just can't be nearly as deceptive now, which is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 29, 2013 -> 11:40 AM) Naturally. They are removing an obvious advantage a pitcher had, which directly influences the baserunner, thus, the baserunner will gain an advantage. It doesn't make it wrong. They haven't removed the ability for the pitcher to check on the runner - he just can't be nearly as deceptive now, which is good. If anyone really worried about it, it would work more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 28, 2013 -> 05:24 PM) Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS Padres agree to deal with freddy garcia, as @jcrasnick said. Has shot at rotation spot there. Sweaty Freddy keeps getting a check! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 29, 2013 -> 06:37 PM) If anyone really worried about it, it would work more often. The idea is that they don't want to steal because it's there. If they do want to steal, they have to wait to see where he's going like he's a left handed pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 Mike DiGiovanna @MikeDiGiovanna The #Angels have hired 24-year vet and 11-time Gold Glove Award-winning SS Omar Vizquel as a roving infield instructor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 DKnobler @DKnobler Getting Verlander would help WBC. But it says a lot that Tigers will hope he doesn't go, while their AL Central rivals hope that he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS #yankees are talking travis hafner (as @bradfo said), as well as others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 This has to be the first time in a long time there are no new stadiums being built in baseball.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 Bob Nightengale @BNightengale The #Mets signed great guy LaTroy Hawkins to minor league deal w Spring Training invite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 31, 2013 -> 07:48 AM) Bob Nightengale @BNightengale The #Mets signed great guy LaTroy Hawkins to minor league deal w Spring Training invite Hah, that made me giggle. I wonder where Kyle Lohse will eventually land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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