Balta1701 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 7, 2013 -> 08:27 PM) Everyone is good in Seattle...that's why extending Felix was ludicrous... I...kinda agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 They are also moving the fences in at the stadium to help offense. I think you can throw park factors out for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 5, 2013 -> 06:49 PM) Jeff Fletcher @JeffFletcherOCR #Angels finalize Callaspo's 2-yr $8.975M deal. He'll get $4.1M in '13, $4.875M in '14, plus award bonuses. I had been hoping trader Rick could get Alberto to the South Side. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 7, 2013 -> 07:27 PM) Everyone is good in Seattle...that's why extending Felix was ludicrous... Maybe extending him wasnt ludicrous, extending him for THAT much is probably the ludicrous part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 8, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) Maybe extending him wasnt ludicrous, extending him for THAT much is probably the ludicrous part I don't think they will go broke with the extension, and am sure they know its an over pay, but he is the face of a franchise that has really struggled lately. It's probably worth the extra money to keep him around rather than letting him walk or trading him, if you take those things into consideration. Edited February 8, 2013 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 8, 2013 -> 11:39 AM) I don't think they will go broke with the extension, and am sure they know its an over pay, but he is the face of a franchise that has really struggled lately. It's probably worth the extra money to keep him around rather than letting him walk or trading him, if you take those things into consideration. Still, this sounds like what the Twins did with Mauer (except that they were good before). That has turned into an epic disaster. This isn't to say Mauer is ineffective (quite the opposite) or that the Twins won't be good (because they can get back there), but not having that contract on the books would make it a hell of a lot easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 8, 2013 -> 12:42 PM) Still, this sounds like what the Twins did with Mauer (except that they were good before). That has turned into an epic disaster. This isn't to say Mauer is ineffective (quite the opposite) or that the Twins won't be good (because they can get back there), but not having that contract on the books would make it a hell of a lot easier. In this case...it might well depend on their revenue projections. With the TV contracts coming up, it could be a helluva lot easier to afford a contract like this over the next 7 years than the last 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 8, 2013 -> 01:07 PM) In this case...it might well depend on their revenue projections. With the TV contracts coming up, it could be a helluva lot easier to afford a contract like this over the next 7 years than the last 7. With the national contract, every team is getting an extra 25 million a year starting in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 8, 2013 -> 02:21 PM) With the national contract, every team is getting an extra 25 million a year starting in 2014. A quick googling suggests that the Mariners have an out clause in their TV deal following the 2015 season. So, if they could put together a winner before then...they have a shot at some serious money there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 8, 2013 -> 11:42 AM) Still, this sounds like what the Twins did with Mauer (except that they were good before). That has turned into an epic disaster. This isn't to say Mauer is ineffective (quite the opposite) or that the Twins won't be good (because they can get back there), but not having that contract on the books would make it a hell of a lot easier. Well, if bringing in the fences does indeed negate the extreme pitchers' park Safeco has always been, then maybe it isn't as bad...although I still would have some concerns about the guy's arm...in the last few years of that deal, he's going to have a ton of mileage on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors Mariners Agree To Terms With Joe Saunders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors Marlins Sign Chone Figgins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 MLB Transactionist @MLBTransactions LOS ANGELES DODGERS: Signed pitcher Mark Lowe to a minor league contract with an invitation to spring training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2013 -> 02:59 PM) MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors Marlins Sign Chone Figgins Damn, Ozzie missed out by a year on Juan Pierre v 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 8, 2013 -> 01:37 PM) Well, if bringing in the fences does indeed negate the extreme pitchers' park Safeco has always been, then maybe it isn't as bad...although I still would have some concerns about the guy's arm...in the last few years of that deal, he's going to have a ton of mileage on him. His career ERA on the road is only 0.11 higher than at Safeco. Let's not act like Felix is solely a product of his home park. This ain't Clayton Richard we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 8, 2013 -> 04:08 PM) His career ERA on the road is only 0.11 higher than at Safeco. Let's not act like Felix is solely a product of his home park. This ain't Clayton Richard we are talking about. It's not about Felix...the point I was making was that Safeco transforms average pitchers into very good ones. Considering that, an elite arm may not have nearly the value to them that it may have to other teams...so I think a good idea would have been to trade him for some young position players with good bats, because that is obviously their organizational weakness. Essentially, if you are long on pitching, pitching doesn't have as much value as hitting has, which they are short on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 8, 2013 -> 03:07 PM) Damn, Ozzie missed out by a year on Juan Pierre v 2.0. And Juan Pierre v 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 8, 2013 -> 03:14 PM) It's not about Felix...the point I was making was that Safeco transforms average pitchers into very good ones. Considering that, an elite arm may not have nearly the value to them that it may have to other teams...so I think a good idea would have been to trade him for some young position players with good bats, because that is obviously their organizational weakness. Essentially, if you are long on pitching, pitching doesn't have as much value as hitting has, which they are short on. I see your point. In that park, the gap between Felix and other starters is lowered, so it makes less sense to pay him so much. Although that only accounts for half your games. What's funny is that the Mariners were 8th in MLB in runs scored on the road last year. So either their offense was much better than we thought, or leaving Safeco gave them a breakout effect, like the opposite of what happens to the Rockies on the road. Edited February 8, 2013 by LittleHurt05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal Liriano passed physical. Deal with #Pirates finally official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Indians sign Jason Giambi and Daisuke Matsuzaka. Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Feb 10, 2013 -> 11:22 AM) Indians sign Jason Giambi and Daisuke Matsuzaka. Good times. I'm not worried about Giambi having that much of an impact, but Dice K? That could be trouble for the Sox. At least the Indians are TRYING to do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Feb 10, 2013 -> 05:46 PM) I'm not worried about Giambi having that much of an impact, but Dice K? That could be trouble for the Sox. At least the Indians are TRYING to do something. Seriously? That 8.28 ERA he put up last year scares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 10, 2013 -> 05:44 PM) Seriously? That 8.28 ERA he put up last year scares? Of course not, that was coming off of TJ surgery. His performance in the years before he was injured scares me. Maybe it's just taking him a little longer to fully recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Feb 10, 2013 -> 07:15 PM) Of course not, that was coming off of TJ surgery. His performance in the years before he was injured scares me. Maybe it's just taking him a little longer to fully recover. He has pitched in the majors in 6 different seasons. Only once did he have an ERA of lower than 4.40. What performance scares you? His one good year was in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 He'd scare me more if he was a lefty. Cause all he throws is soft junk, but as a righty I think the Sox could handle him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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