Eminor3rd Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Holy s***, the Indians just made out like BANDITS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 QUOTE (Carter224 @ Dec 11, 2012 -> 06:34 PM) If its not good, its not depth. If it's good enough, it's depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyAcosta41 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 QUOTE (Carter224 @ Dec 11, 2012 -> 06:34 PM) If it's not good enough, it's not depth QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 12, 2012 -> 08:10 AM) If it's good enough, it's depth Only on a message board! I agree with witesoxfan. If it's good enough, that is, if it exceeds certain threshold quality (which in this case should mean better than most other teams have at that level of "depth"), then I believe it's fair to call it "depth." It 's quite a feat to pull it off, but some of us might want far greater quality at these lower depth levels. As in, really good depth. No question that this is something worthy to aspire to. We call such an animal "a fricking great team." Or, maybe the Sage who is Yogi Berra was once again eerily correct when he talked about having "deep depth." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Kenny Williams agrees with me, so there Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 10, 2012 -> 04:43 PM) Jake Peavy, Chris Sale, John Danks, Gavin Floyd, Jose Quintana, Hector Santiago, Simon Castro, Dylan Axelrod, Andre Rienzo, Nestor Molina (if you really want to stretch). That's hardly money in the bank after the first four names on that list. I know one of those guys- probably Quintana- is going to be counted on this year, but if Floyd does indeed get dealt somewhere and now you're entrusting 2 spots of the rotation to Quintana and one of the others- Sakes alive.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckweaver Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I am guilty of checking here, mlbtraderumors, prosportsdaily...on a near hourly basis for the past couple of weeks. But considering the signing of Keppinger, I look at the 2013 Sox makeup and think this is a pretty decent team to enter the season with. Good rotation. Strong bullpen. Every position player in place. I know there's been some talk of a LH bat. OK...might be nice. If it's for the bench, sign Thome as a LH pinch-hitter or bring AJ back to play 1/3-time behind the plate and be on the bench the rest of the time. I think it's because Hahn said he wasn't done that I'm so antsy. But maybe he should be. Unless it's a signing of Hamilton, which, to me, is not very likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I don't think we can have Konerko, Dunn, and Thome unless Dunn is going to be a full time outfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (buckweaver @ Dec 12, 2012 -> 06:40 PM) I am guilty of checking here, mlbtraderumors, prosportsdaily...on a near hourly basis for the past couple of weeks. But considering the signing of Keppinger, I look at the 2013 Sox makeup and think this is a pretty decent team to enter the season with. Good rotation. Strong bullpen. Every position player in place. I know there's been some talk of a LH bat. OK...might be nice. If it's for the bench, sign Thome as a LH pinch-hitter or bring AJ back to play 1/3-time behind the plate and be on the bench the rest of the time. I think it's because Hahn said he wasn't done that I'm so antsy. But maybe he should be. Unless it's a signing of Hamilton, which, to me, is not very likely. As of today, I don't think the bullpen is very good at all for the Sox. I would like to see Hahn add a few veteran arms to the bullpen in case Jones and/or Reed have a sophomore slump. Edited December 12, 2012 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 12, 2012 -> 03:59 PM) As of today, I don't think the bullpen is very good at all for the Sox. I would like to see Hahn add a few veteran arms to the bullpen in case Jones and/or Reed have a sophomore slump. If nothing else, we've got enough young arms out there that I think it's worth sinking or swimming based on what we have, at least early in the year. You can always trade for an overpaid veteran arm mid-season if you need one. Only way we're going to see if these guys can develop into anything is to try to develop them into something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 12, 2012 -> 02:59 PM) As of today, I don't think the bullpen is very good at all for the Sox. I would like to see Hahn add a few veteran arms to the bullpen in case Jones and/or Reed have a sophomore slump. As of right now, they have Reed closing, Thornton/Crain/Jones in the 7th/8th, Veal as a lefty specialist, and perhaps a guy like Hector Santiago (we'll see if they prefer to have him stretched out in the minors) in a long-relief type role. I think that's a pretty good bullpen, but things will look a lot better if Reed becomes more consistent in the closing role. Everything else will better fall into place. I know Reed had a pretty good percentage as a closer last season, but he was always on the verge of damage in quite a bit of these outings. He needs to get better. Thornton/Crain have to avoid being overworked, and that can't be at the expense of Nate Jones. Ideally, the starters can pitch a lot of quality starts, and the offense can win some games by more than a run or two, avoiding stress on the bullpen. Barring injury or some horrible spring training by a guy like Veal, there's probably only 1 spot open (2 depending on how they handle Santiago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 12, 2012 -> 06:51 PM) As of right now, they have Reed closing, Thornton/Crain/Jones in the 7th/8th, Veal as a lefty specialist, and perhaps a guy like Hector Santiago (we'll see if they prefer to have him stretched out in the minors) in a long-relief type role. I think that's a pretty good bullpen, but things will look a lot better if Reed becomes more consistent in the closing role. Everything else will better fall into place. I know Reed had a pretty good percentage as a closer last season, but he was always on the verge of damage in quite a bit of these outings. He needs to get better. Thornton/Crain have to avoid being overworked, and that can't be at the expense of Nate Jones. Ideally, the starters can pitch a lot of quality starts, and the offense can win some games by more than a run or two, avoiding stress on the bullpen. Barring injury or some horrible spring training by a guy like Veal, there's probably only 1 spot open (2 depending on how they handle Santiago). If Santiago is viewed as a starter, he belongs in Charlotte to begin the year. The Sox shouldn't go back and forth with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Dec 12, 2012 -> 09:19 PM) If Santiago is viewed as a starter, he belongs in Charlotte to begin the year. The Sox shouldn't go back and forth with him. I would like Santiago starting as much as anyone, but he's the 4th lefty in the rotation and there are 2-3 other people in the minors who can be the 6th starter (assuming Floyd isn't gone). We actually kinda have too many MLB lhp's right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2012 -> 09:24 PM) I would like Santiago starting as much as anyone, but he's the 4th lefty in the rotation and there are 2-3 other people in the minors who can be the 6th starter (assuming Floyd isn't gone). We actually kinda have too many MLB lhp's right now. I wouldn't mind selling high on Q for this reason. I think Hector has a higher ceiling than Q does and I'd hate to see him wasted in the pen. Edited December 13, 2012 by 2nd_city_saint787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Dec 13, 2012 -> 12:16 AM) I wouldn't mind selling high on Q for this reason. I think Hector has a higher ceiling than Q does and I'd hate to see him wasted in the pen. I was sitting here thinking that everybody is assuming that Q is going to be, as it stands, the number 5 starter. I'm not so sure that Hector doesn't win that spot out of spring training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Dec 13, 2012 -> 12:16 AM) I wouldn't mind selling high on Q for this reason. I think Hector has a higher ceiling than Q does and I'd hate to see him wasted in the pen. With the value on pitching, he might have the highest value to another team, outside of Chris sale, of anyone on this team. I'd sure look to trade him with the way that this team is made up currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 13, 2012 -> 08:39 AM) With the value on pitching, he might have the highest value to another team, outside of Chris sale, of anyone on this team. I'd sure look to trade him with the way that this team is made up currently. I'm still not sure what other teams would think of him, despite what we saw last year. He's not bringing a 95 mph fastball and dominant stuff to put people away. Even when he was shutting teams down, he'd have to pitch through a lot of baserunners. His full season numbers aren't great because he wore down. If you saw what we saw, you saw a bulldog who did nothing but get outs, but then wore down when the Sox hung a ton of innings on him. I'm not sure what I'd give up to trade for that guy. This is still a guy who was what, a waiver claim less than a year ago? If some team wants to trade me their top prospect for Quintana, I'm game, but from what we saw last year I wouldn't move him for less than that. He might be a great example of a high risk, high reward guy, and that kind of guy is exactly the type player the chisox should be after right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2012 -> 08:24 PM) I would like Santiago starting as much as anyone, but he's the 4th lefty in the rotation and there are 2-3 other people in the minors who can be the 6th starter (assuming Floyd isn't gone). We actually kinda have too many MLB lhp's right now. That's kind of like having too much money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Josh Hamilton to the Angels http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/ange...aring-deal.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 13, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) Josh Hamilton to the Angels http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/ange...aring-deal.html Probably not Sox news. I bet that there's postings about it in the Diamond Club, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 13, 2012 -> 05:36 PM) Probably not Sox news. I bet that there's postings about it in the Diamond Club, however. I just figured it warranted a quick post, considering how much space here has been dedicated to discussing the possibility of Hamilton to the White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 08:35 AM) I just figured it warranted a quick post, considering how much space here has been dedicated to discussing the possibility of Hamilton to the White Sox For something that had zero probability of happening, we sure talked about it a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 11:38 AM) For something that had zero probability of happening, we sure talked about it a lot. Just like the whole idea of Chase Headley to the White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 I'd love to get Trumbo somehow and then trade Rios or Tank. I could totally get off keeping Tank if we had Trumbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 No Sox action on the trade front and very little in the way of rumor news. Rick Hahn must really travel under the radar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I wonder what happened to Bucket's insider info about a Sox trade coming. He said as of like 4-5 days ago that it was pretty much done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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