How much are you willing to offer Josh Hamilton?

[southsider2k5]

False, Josh and his parents got in a car accident but all walked away from it, the lingering effects from it was actually what put him on the DL which led to all his free time.

 

 

 

 

Step one sounds right and there's no problem with that. Step 2, he wasn't the one that blamed Crawford or TBs front office or anyone else, I'm the one saying these things, it's what I took from the book.

 

 

 

 

 

I believe that, if he walked into a different tattoo parlor where the artists there weren't drug addicts themselves we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

He also wouldn't be having this conversation if he could do something in moderation.

[jenksycat]

I believe that, if he walked into a different tattoo parlor where the artists there weren't drug addicts themselves we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

We wouldn't be having this conversation if Hamilton wasn't a drug addict.

[2nd_city_saint787]

We wouldn't be having this conversation if Hamilton wasn't a drug addict.

 

lol, thank you captain obvious.

[ewokpelts]

False, Josh and his parents got in a car accident but all walked away from it, the lingering effects from it was actually what put him on the DL which led to all his free time.

 

 

 

 

Step one sounds right and there's no problem with that. Step 2, he wasn't the one that blamed Crawford or TBs front office or anyone else, I'm the one saying these things, it's what I took from the book.

 

 

 

 

 

I believe that, if he walked into a different tattoo parlor where the artists there weren't drug addicts themselves we wouldn't be having this conversation.

when you replace drugs with jesus, you are simply trading one addiction for another. look at george bush jr.

 

 

 

[2nd_city_saint787]

when you replace drugs with jesus, you are simply trading one addiction for another. look at george bush jr.

 

I'm not religious or anything but I don't see how that can be a problem.

[ewokpelts]

lol, thank you captain obvious.

the only one really championing hamilton is YOU...

 

this discussion is a 2-3 page topic about cash and how good/bad the OF would be with him, BUT it becomes 10 plus pages about how great a guy he is, despite shooting up all his VERY sizable signing bonus. His fall was so bad it kept the devil rays s***ty even longer than planned.

 

Hamilton may be a great guy, but he has a monkey on his back. and that scares GMs. Not to mention his actual back and knees are starting to feel the pain of years of baseball AND drug abuse.

 

Of course, this great guy, this "family man", once he gets drunk wants to start f***ing every pretty little thing that moves in an arizona bar and asks where he can get cocaine.

[2nd_city_saint787]

the only one really championing hamilton is YOU...

 

this discussion is a 2-3 page topic about cash and how good/bad the OF would be with him, BUT it becomes 10 plus pages about how great a guy he is, despite shooting up all his VERY sizable signing bonus. His fall was so bad it kept the devil rays s***ty even longer than planned.

 

Hamilton may be a great guy, but he has a monkey on his back. and that scares GMs. Not to mention his actual back and knees are starting to feel the pain of years of baseball AND drug abuse.

 

Of course, this great guy, this "family man", once he gets drunk wants to start f***ing every pretty little thing that moves in an arizona bar and asks where he can get cocaine.

 

Josh Hamilton is to me as Ozzie Guillen is to Greg###.

 

I'm just expressing my thoughts on the guy.

[shago]

We wouldn't be having this conversation if Hamilton wasn't a drug addict.

Coop will fix him

[witesoxfan]

Coop will fix him

 

WWDCD?

[southsider2k5]

WWDCD?

 

Yeah, but I don't think drinking will help Hamilton out...

[Y2Jimmy0]

Josh Hamilton is to me as Ozzie Guillen is to Greg###.

 

I'm just expressing my thoughts on the guy.

 

 

That's fine as long as you are prepared to be disappointed. I just don't see the Josh Hamilton Story ending well. I hope that I am wrong.

[2nd_city_saint787]

That's fine as long as you are prepared to be disappointed. I just don't see the Josh Hamilton Story ending well. I hope that I am wrong.

 

I think if it were to happen it would have already...its been 6 or 7 years since he failed a drug test.

 

The guy was only 20 years old experiencing extended time away from his family for the first time.

 

 

[Dick Allen]

I think if it were to happen it would have already...its been 6 or 7 years since he failed a drug test.

 

The guy was only 20 years old experiencing extended time away from his family for the first time.

Go check out the photos from his 2009 escapade and then read the accounts of what happened when he had what he said was 4 cocktails last year. He's far from out of the woods.

[jenksycat]

lol, thank you captain obvious.

 

Meaning the tattoo parlor didn't have s*** to do with it. He would have been a drug addict no matter what, I don't fault him for that. But take responsibility for your own stupid choices, don't blame anything or anyone other than you being stupid.

[2nd_city_saint787]

Go check out the photos from his 2009 escapade and then read the accounts of what happened when he had what he said was 4 cocktails last year. He's far from out of the woods.

 

There's still been no truth to him asking for coke...just read an article on ESPN that said he's still being drug tested 3 times a week. Yes it CAN happen if he continues drinking heavily, so no he's not out of the woods, but the fact remains it hasn't in 6 or 7 years.

 

Meaning the tattoo parlor didn't have s*** to do with it. He would have been a drug addict no matter what, I don't fault him for that. But take responsibility for your own stupid choices, don't blame anything or anyone other than you being stupid.

 

 

If he never walked into that specific tattoo parlor and made friends with those drug addicts there is no guarantee what so ever that "He would have been a drug addict no matter what".

 

Once again, his book is not blaming these guys, his book is telling the series of events that lead to it. I'm the one saying if he never walked into that tattoo parlor we wouldnt be having this conversation.

Edited November 15, 2012 by 2nd_city_saint787

[ewokpelts]

There's still been no truth to him ask for coke...just read an article on ESPN that said he's still being drug tested 3 times a week.

 

 

 

 

If he never walked into that specific tattoo parlor and made friends with those drug addicts there is no guarantee what so ever that "He would have been a drug addict no matter what".

 

Once again, his book is not blaming these guys, his book is telling the series of events that lead to it. I'm the one saying if he never walked into that tattoo parlor we wouldnt be having this conversation.

while he may not have used any drugs on his benders, him asking around for it implies that he WANTED to use the drugs.

and let's not forget "family man" slobbering all over women that were not his wife and younger than said wife.

 

as for the tattoos, i thought we all agreed it's carl crawford's fault?

 

[2nd_city_saint787]

while he may not have used any drugs on his benders, him asking around for it implies that he WANTED to use the drugs.

and let's not forget "family man" slobbering all over women that were not his wife and younger than said wife.

 

as for the tattoos, i thought we all agreed it's carl crawford's fault?

 

Has Josh said he was asking for coke or was it all here say?

 

Lol I said Carl Crawford inspired him to get a tattoo in the first place. Hamilton said "my parents wouldn't like that" (we're talkin about a kid outta high school) and Carl said "Your an adult now, you make your own decisions"

[witesoxfan]

Has Josh said he was asking for coke or was it all here say?

Lol I said Carl Crawford inspired him to get a tattoo in the first place. Hamilton said "my parents wouldn't like that" (we're talkin about a kid outta high school) and Carl said "Your an adult now, you make your own decisions"

 

Why would he come out and condemn himself like that? Did Barry Bonds come out and say "I used steroids" ?

[ewokpelts]

Why would he come out and condemn himself like that? Did Barry Bonds come out and say "I used steroids" ?

actually, the day after the photos came out he held a press conference and admitted to it all.

 

[ewokpelts]

Not that anyone cares... I got the Hamilton book back from my friend who struggled with a pain pill addiction, and he says it really helped me out.

 

I decided to read it again so I can shed some light on his addiction....Basically blame Carl Crawford and Tampas front office for not letting him continue to be a mommas boy.

 

Through his first 2 years of pro ball his mom and dad still followed him everywhere and The Rays didn't like that. He was then alone and at the time injured. He became addicted to tattoos after seeing Carl Crawfords tats. Josh told Carl his parents wouldn't like him getting one to which Carl told him youre an adult now, so Josh went ahead and got one...then 6...then when he got hurt, he spent hours at the tattoo parlor and made friends with the guy who ran the place. These tattoo guys we're trouble and got him addicted to heroin and other hard drugs....

 

If they Rays allowed him to be a mommas boy he would probably be in the conversation of being the greatest of all time....now he's just a walking punchline because of his past despite being drug free for 7 years....Sad, I respect the hell outta the guy for putting the past behind him and getting back in playing shape and still living up to his potential.

 

I've never had an official Sox jersey but if the Sox were somehow to get him I'd be the first man in line for that jersey.

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[2nd_city_saint787]

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lol ya caught me, that was phrased wrong.

[Chicago White Sox]

I think if it were to happen it would have already...its been 6 or 7 years since he failed a drug test.

 

The guy was only 20 years old experiencing extended time away from his family for the first time.

First, Hamilton has a full-fledged babysitter with him at all times during the season. I'm guessing that's prevented some relapses over the past few years and it's going to be interesting to see what becomes of him when major league baseball no longer has a need for him.

 

As for your second point, how was his situation that much different than most college freshmen (minus the $)? Maybe he was babied/restricted by his parents more than other kids growing up, but that doesn't excuse stupid decision-making that led to drug addiction. The onus falls on him and him alone.

[Dick Allen]

There's still been no truth to him asking for coke...just read an article on ESPN that said he's still being drug tested 3 times a week. Yes it CAN happen if he continues drinking heavily, so no he's not out of the woods, but the fact remains it hasn't in 6 or 7 years.

 

 

 

 

If he never walked into that specific tattoo parlor and made friends with those drug addicts there is no guarantee what so ever that "He would have been a drug addict no matter what".

 

Once again, his book is not blaming these guys, his book is telling the series of events that lead to it. I'm the one saying if he never walked into that tattoo parlor we wouldnt be having this conversation.

On his wiki page they mention him looking for blow. Last year he just got blown in the bathroom of the bar supposedly. The guy will always be a huge risk.

[jenksycat]

There's still been no truth to him asking for coke...just read an article on ESPN that said he's still being drug tested 3 times a week. Yes it CAN happen if he continues drinking heavily, so no he's not out of the woods, but the fact remains it hasn't in 6 or 7 years.

 

 

 

 

If he never walked into that specific tattoo parlor and made friends with those drug addicts there is no guarantee what so ever that "He would have been a drug addict no matter what".

 

Once again, his book is not blaming these guys, his book is telling the series of events that lead to it. I'm the one saying if he never walked into that tattoo parlor we wouldnt be having this conversation.

 

Still bulls***.

 

I and most other people can walk into any tattoo parlor in the world right now and not come out a raging heroin addict simply because we're not stupid enough to try the s***. If it wasn't the tattoo parlor it would have been somewhere else.

Edited November 15, 2012 by Jenksy Cat

[2nd_city_saint787]

Still bulls***.

 

Im and most other people can walk into any tattoo parlor in the world right now and not come out a raging heroin addict simply because we're not stupid enough to try the s***. If it wasn't the tattoo parlor it would have been somewhere else.

 

I just trying to say if he doesn't meet those guys there's a chance he's never put in the position to do drugs. He didnt have a problem until he met those guys at the parlor. Yes he should have had the will power to say no but he was drunk and put in that situation and made the poor decision in saying yes and then he was balls deep in the stuff. I'm not arguing that he didnt make the wrong decision Im saying IN MY OPINION it probably doesnt happen if hes with the right people.

Edited November 16, 2012 by 2nd_city_saint787