Sox re-sign DeWayne Wise

[Princess Dye]

should play him a lot when he's hot, but once that streak ends, bench him and rarely play him.

 

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[SoxAce]

Shoot me.

 

 

Yea.. what he said.

[greg775]

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Why do you say that? In saying that, you imply it's kind of a dumb comment, showing little baseball knowledge. I think it shows a lot of baseball knowledge of our Sox. Remember when we got Wise and he was amazing for 2 weeks or so?? Then it was over. The hot streak was done and all he did was make outs and I think he made a few defensive gaffes or baserunning blunders as well. I love Wise but as a fan I'd rather see somebody else out there. Somebody new. People on here clamor for change, well I'd agree in this case. Give me another backup outfielder. We know what Dweezey can do and that is get hot for a two-week stretch or so, which is fine. His whole body of work is .230ish, however.

Why is it dumb to say Robin should play him during that torrid stretch, then when he sees it's over, just bench him for good? Can you deny he gets hot, then is not?

Edited November 23, 2012 by greg775

[witesoxfan]

Why do you say that? In saying that, you imply it's kind of a dumb comment, showing little baseball knowledge. I think it shows a lot of baseball knowledge of our Sox. Remember when we got Wise and he was amazing for 2 weeks or so?? Then it was over. The hot streak was done and all he did was make outs and I think he made a few defensive gaffes or baserunning blunders as well. I love Wise but as a fan I'd rather see somebody else out there. Somebody new. People on here clamor for change, well I'd agree in this case. Give me another backup outfielder. We know what Dweezey can do and that is get hot for a two-week stretch or so, which is fine. His whole body of work is .230ish, however.

Why is it dumb to say Robin should play him during that torrid stretch, then when he sees it's over, just bench him for good? Can you deny he gets hot, then is not?

 

How is a guy going to get out of a slump if he doesn't play?

[greg775]

How is a guy going to get out of a slump if he doesn't play?

 

I just think he's a very streaky hitter, all or nothing. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.

[Jake]

Why do you say that? In saying that, you imply it's kind of a dumb comment, showing little baseball knowledge. I think it shows a lot of baseball knowledge of our Sox. Remember when we got Wise and he was amazing for 2 weeks or so?? Then it was over. The hot streak was done and all he did was make outs and I think he made a few defensive gaffes or baserunning blunders as well. I love Wise but as a fan I'd rather see somebody else out there. Somebody new. People on here clamor for change, well I'd agree in this case. Give me another backup outfielder. We know what Dweezey can do and that is get hot for a two-week stretch or so, which is fine. His whole body of work is .230ish, however.

Why is it dumb to say Robin should play him during that torrid stretch, then when he sees it's over, just bench him for good? Can you deny he gets hot, then is not?

 

The point is that it is difficult to tell whether a player is in a legitimate slump or if he's just having one of the slower stretches that is bound to happen, statistically

 

So saying to just bench him when his slump starts makes it sound far easier than it is to actually tell when a player needs to get benched.

Edited November 23, 2012 by Jake

[greg775]

The point is that it is difficult to tell whether a player is in a legitimate slump or if he's just having one of the slower stretches that is bound to happen, statistically

 

So saying to just bench him when his slump starts makes it sound far easier than it is to actually tell when a player needs to get benched.

 

Maybe Dweezy is a late late bloomer and he'll have a Melky Cabrera type year. I just think his body of work suggests if he gets a ton of at bats, that's not a good thing. I don't mind the guy, but I'd think somebody else could fulfil his role. Maybe not. I'm definitely not incensed Wise is coming back. He just doesn't really excite me even as a 4th outfielder.

[southsider2k5]

The point is that it is difficult to tell whether a player is in a legitimate slump or if he's just having one of the slower stretches that is bound to happen, statistically

 

So saying to just bench him when his slump starts makes it sound far easier than it is to actually tell when a player needs to get benched.

 

Exactly. Unless you have ESP you can't know when a slump is going to begin/end.

[Balta1701]

Maybe Dweezy is a late late bloomer and he'll have a Melky Cabrera type year.

I certainly hope Wise won't have a Melky Cabrera type year.

[ShandyMan]

I certainly hope Wise won't have a Melky Cabrera type year.

 

Minus the 50 game suspension

[Balta1701]

Minus the 50 game suspension

Melky Cabrera had a breakout year almost certainly for the same reason he got a 50 game suspension.

[southsider2k5]

Minus the 50 game suspension

 

If we got 100+ games of Melky like production from Wise in exchange for a 50 game suspension, I'd be in.

[Swingandalongonetoleft]

How is a guy going to get out of a slump if he doesn't play?

 

 

[lostfan]

Maybe Dweezy is a late late bloomer and he'll have a Melky Cabrera type year. I just think his body of work suggests if he gets a ton of at bats, that's not a good thing. I don't mind the guy, but I'd think somebody else could fulfil his role. Maybe not. I'm definitely not incensed Wise is coming back. He just doesn't really excite me even as a 4th outfielder.

Steroids FTW

[Kyyle23]

I just think he's a very streaky hitter, all or nothing. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.

 

How exactly would you know when the good streak will start? If he starts the season 0-8, do you bench him for the rest of the season? So many questions, so many questions

[scenario]

Any possibility that this is due to DeAza health issues we haven't heard about yet?

 

 

[Balta1701]

Any possibility that this is due to DeAza health issues we haven't heard about yet?

I gotta think they'd have been looking for a more reliable option than Wise if they were worried about ADA. Wise may be a tolerable backup and a guy that other people like to have around, but I can't believe they'd make the mistake of thinking he's a starter again.

[greg775]

How exactly would you know when the good streak will start? If he starts the season 0-8, do you bench him for the rest of the season? So many questions, so many questions

He was great right after the Sox got him and horrific the last 3 weeks as I recall. I don't know if he gets tired or what, but the bad Wise was an automatic out. I remember at one point he had no chance up there. The good Wise was pretty amazing.

[Kyyle23]

He was great right after the Sox got him and horrific the last 3 weeks as I recall. I don't know if he gets tired or what, but the bad Wise was an automatic out. I remember at one point he had no chance up there. The good Wise was pretty amazing.

 

once again, how exactly would you know when the good and bad streaks are starting?

[witesoxfan]

He was great right after the Sox got him and horrific the last 3 weeks as I recall. I don't know if he gets tired or what, but the bad Wise was an automatic out. I remember at one point he had no chance up there. The good Wise was pretty amazing.

 

He had an OPS of 1.000 for his first 9 games, 8 of which were starts. In his final 36 games, 30 of which were starts, his OPS was .617. You can do all sorts of cherry picking through his games to find small decent stretches and longer, terrible stretches. The reason DeWayne Wise has stuck around the game long enough is that he is dependable enough to use on the bench because he can play 3 OF positions, hit for a bit of power, and run the bases pretty well. The reason he's only been given the starting job once - unjustly, I might add - is because he's simply not that good.

 

You play him when you need him. That's his job as a 4th outfielder.

[Balta1701]

He had an OPS of 1.000 for his first 9 games, 8 of which were starts. In his final 36 games, 30 of which were starts, his OPS was .617. You can do all sorts of cherry picking through his games to find small decent stretches and longer, terrible stretches. The reason DeWayne Wise has stuck around the game long enough is that he is dependable enough to use on the bench because he can play 3 OF positions, hit for a bit of power, and run the bases pretty well. The reason he's only been given the starting job once - unjustly, I might add - is because he's simply not that good.

 

You play him when you need him. That's his job as a 4th outfielder.

So basically...use him like a backup...play him when someone could use a day off or gets hurt, and if he has a few good games in a row and the guy in front of him somewhere has been struggling for a while, give him some extra starts.

 

If that's how he gets used, I'm game for it. I still get nervous though...because even with changes in management...this is still the franchise that decided he needed to not only be the opening day starter, but also lead off.

[greg775]

He had an OPS of 1.000 for his first 9 games, 8 of which were starts. In his final 36 games, 30 of which were starts, his OPS was .617. You can do all sorts of cherry picking through his games to find small decent stretches and longer, terrible stretches. The reason DeWayne Wise has stuck around the game long enough is that he is dependable enough to use on the bench because he can play 3 OF positions, hit for a bit of power, and run the bases pretty well. The reason he's only been given the starting job once - unjustly, I might add - is because he's simply not that good.

 

You play him when you need him. That's his job as a 4th outfielder.

 

Seems to me he becomes a favorite of all managers. He started for the Yankees for quite a spell, didn't he? Then he was our starter. I don't mind the guy, I just wish we'd get some new bodies out on the field. Deweezy to me is a symbol of the fact we ain't gonna win the division.

[2nd_city_saint787]

Seems to me he becomes a favorite of all managers. He started for the Yankees for quite a spell, didn't he? Then he was our starter. I don't mind the guy, I just wish we'd get some new bodies out on the field. Deweezy to me is a symbol of the fact we ain't gonna win the division.

 

Oh c'mon greg, he's the 4th outfielder! And he actually had a higher OPS than both the Tigers 4th and 5th OFer.

 

Wise-.721

Quintin Berry-.684

Brennan Boesch-.659

 

The new bodies you want are about a year away in guys like Thompson and Mitchell.

[witesoxfan]

Seems to me he becomes a favorite of all managers. He started for the Yankees for quite a spell, didn't he? Then he was our starter. I don't mind the guy, I just wish we'd get some new bodies out on the field. Deweezy to me is a symbol of the fact we ain't gonna win the division.

 

He doesn't complain about sitting. He plays hard when he's in the lineup. He's a generally smart ballplayer. He doesn't say anything dumb to the press (primarily because they don't care). As a manager, what's not to love about a player like that?

[Balta1701]

Seems to me he becomes a favorite of all managers. He started for the Yankees for quite a spell, didn't he? Then he was our starter. I don't mind the guy, I just wish we'd get some new bodies out on the field. Deweezy to me is a symbol of the fact we ain't gonna win the division.

He actually got less playing time than I thought he got, now that I look at their lineups. He started 15 games over 4 months for the Yankees, and that was in large part because Brett Gardner got hurt very early in the season, and that moved Wise into the primary backup OF role. But even with that, the Yankees generally went with Ibanez, Granderson, Swisher, and Jones/Nix as their starters over Wise. You heard about him playing because of that game he pitched and because he got basically sidelined after they traded for Ichiro.

 

He started 38 games for the White Sox in less than 2 months and 15 games for the Yankees over 4 months. He's a tolerable backup, but if he's starting 38 games for you, it's because several guys got hurt and your bench is very thin, and you might want to start looking at trading for an actual starting OF.