Things been quiet

[southsider2k5]

Here is what is weird to me about the AJ situation... if you look at the noise on Twitter, MLBTR, and other places from the usual chatterboxes... the catchers being talked about all the time are Martin, Salty, and a few others. I have not seen AJ mentioned at ALL, except in reference to the Sox wanting him back but maybe not able to get him. I can't tell what that means, but I think it is interesting. My personal theory is that the teams looking for a C, at least some of them, may be scared off of him due to a combination of age and reputation.

 

If I'm right, then the Sox will sign him late, and for cheaper than most of you are supposing. Of course, I could be wrong.

 

As for Rock's intimation about a deal sending off a popular player... if it clear salary room, I think they will then quickly sign Youk for 3B.

 

I am sure teams have a lot of questions about AJ, and deservedly so. I have a lot of questions about AJ, and he has played here for years.

[NorthSideSox72]

I am sure teams have a lot of questions about AJ, and deservedly so. I have a lot of questions about AJ, and he has played here for years.

That could work out well for the Sox.

 

[Balta1701]

Here is what is weird to me about the AJ situation... if you look at the noise on Twitter, MLBTR, and other places from the usual chatterboxes... the catchers being talked about all the time are Martin, Salty, and a few others. I have not seen AJ mentioned at ALL, except in reference to the Sox wanting him back but maybe not able to get him. I can't tell what that means, but I think it is interesting. My personal theory is that the teams looking for a C, at least some of them, may be scared off of him due to a combination of age and reputation.

 

If I'm right, then the Sox will sign him late, and for cheaper than most of you are supposing. Of course, I could be wrong.

 

As for Rock's intimation about a deal sending off a popular player... if it clear salary room, I think they will then quickly sign Youk for 3B.

The market seemed to move a lot quicker on AJ last time around. Of course, it also seemed to appear suddenly right after thanksgiving, it went from nothing to him about to sign with both Toronto and the Dodgers.

[southsider2k5]

The market seemed to move a lot quicker on AJ last time around. Of course, it also seemed to appear suddenly right after thanksgiving, it went from nothing to him about to sign with both Toronto and the Dodgers.

 

I think the catcher market is a little more robust this time around, and AJ is at the back of the line in terms of overall desirability.

[Chicago White Sox]

That said, I think they'll go cheap at 3b, and possibly sign AJ.

I think A.J. is as good as gone. I think he'll be a very effective player for another year or two, but given our payroll concerns, I'd rather allocate my resources elsewhere. Plus Flowers is a solid in-house replacement.

 

3B is the real concern and going cheap there shouldn't be an option. We really have no in-house candidates there, short of moving one of our 2B like Beckham or Sanchez, which doesn't make much sense IMO. Therefore, we should try to find a long-term solution for 3B and spend the young talent necessary to do so. If such a player is not available, then overpay Youkilis on a short-term deal. I jusr don't see how this team can compete without a legit 3B.

[witesoxfan]

That description fits John Danks, Jose Quintana, and Hector Santiago a lot better than it does Gavin Floyd or Paul Konerko. I mean, it fits Konerko, but I just don't see any way they'd trade Konerko. And I think we're expecting the Sox to trade Quintana or Santiago, so I don't think that would leave people too upset.

 

My best guess is Danks because he was always more of a KW guy. I'm just not sure who would want Danks coming off shoulder surgery.

[iamshack]

That description fits John Danks, Jose Quintana, and Hector Santiago a lot better than it does Gavin Floyd or Paul Konerko. I mean, it fits Konerko, but I just don't see any way they'd trade Konerko. And I think we're expecting the Sox to trade Quintana or Santiago, so I don't think that would leave people too upset.

 

My best guess is Danks because he was always more of a KW guy. I'm just not sure who would want Danks coming off shoulder surgery.

Yeah, I don't think it would be Danks simply because he said the returns would be considered small by our standards or hopes...I can't imagine any return for Danks would be considered small right now.

[The Ultimate Champion]

Yeah, I don't think it would be Danks simply because he said the returns would be considered small by our standards or hopes...I can't imagine any return for Danks would be considered small right now.

Question though: when is the last time the Sox traded a good, productive veteran player for a return (in prospects probably) that Soxtalk liked? I can't remember. Even 2 of our best deals in the CLee deal (salary space for JD & AJ + Pods + Viz) and the Freddy to Philly deal were hated.

 

The last one I can think of was the Rowand + Gio + Haigwood deal for Thome. IIRC everyone liked that. Of course we got the best player in the deal there. The last time we sent a MLB vet for prospects that people liked was....????

 

My point is that we never like anything here. This "tidbit" could be about any player in any given deal.

Edited November 29, 2012 by The Ultimate Champion

[iamshack]

Question though: when is the last time the Sox traded a good, productive veteran player for a return (in prospects probably) that Soxtalk liked? I can't remember. Even 2 of our best deals in the CLee deal (salary space for JD & AJ + Pods + Viz) and the Freddy to Philly deal were hated.

 

The last one I can think of was the Rowand + Gio + Haigwood deal for Thome. IIRC everything liked that. Of course we got the best player in the deal there. The last time we sent a MLB vet for prospects that people liked was....????

 

My point is that we never like anything here. This "tidbit" could be about any player in any given deal.

Yeah, but given the contract Danks has and the injury he's coming off of, what would you expect to get for him if you took on none of his salary?

 

I would say absolutely nothing.

 

So unless we're eating a big portion of his salary to move him for peanuts (which is not something that seems beneficial to anyone), I can't imagine a trade of Danks resulting in the scenario Rock seems to be hinting at.

[cabiness42]

Maybe I'm reading way too much into this, but the fact that Rock seems so certain about this trade but that it hasn't happened yet could be that a NTC needs to be waived???

[witesoxfan]

Question though: when is the last time the Sox traded a good, productive veteran player for a return (in prospects probably) that Soxtalk liked? I can't remember. Even 2 of our best deals in the CLee deal (salary space for JD & AJ + Pods + Viz) and the Freddy to Philly deal were hated.

 

The last one I can think of was the Rowand + Gio + Haigwood deal for Thome. IIRC everyone liked that. Of course we got the best player in the deal there. The last time we sent a MLB vet for prospects that people liked was....????

 

My point is that we never like anything here. This "tidbit" could be about any player in any given deal.

 

Ozzie Guillen to the Marlins

[The Ultimate Champion]

Yeah, but given the contract Danks has and the injury he's coming off of, what would you expect to get for him if you took on none of his salary?

 

I would say absolutely nothing.

 

So unless we're eating a big portion of his salary to move him for peanuts (which is not something that seems beneficial to anyone), I can't imagine a trade of Danks resulting in the scenario Rock seems to be hinting at.

I agree, I doubt we'd move Danks at all. He's a good player and should be a valuable piece of the puzzle going forward, so dumping him for nothing isn't smart business. I don't know why anyone would expect him to be out there unless someone comes out of nowhere and makes a good offer.

 

BTW I have a source too. My source says the Sox are "definitely" trading Gavin Floyd and that there are "multiple offers" out there already. My guy says the Sox can pull the trigger right now if they wanted to but are going to wait for the winter meetings, as they believe that if a couple other pitchers sign it will boost Gavin's value. My source also says the Sox are "heavily shopping" and "eager" to move at least one big salary beyond Gavin's. Further, it has come to the attention of my source that the Sox FO is "enamored" with the idea of acquiring top prospects from other teams while moving out salary. My source knows everything. He also has heard that the sun "probably" rises in the east and that pizza is almost certainly going to be a popular food item while people are watching the Super Bowl next year.

[The Ultimate Champion]

Ozzie Guillen to the Marlins

You sir are absolutely correct. If I had a cookie I'd give you one.

 

Actually, since you're a mod now, how about adding a cookie icon in the smiley box to the left of my screen here? That way when I agree with other posters I can click on the cookie icon and give them a cookie. That would be a nice change. Things are too dark and bland here.

 

Make one that looks like this, but smaller:

[witesoxfan]

Mock all you like, Rock has a proven to be a pretty reliable source of information in the past.

[southsider2k5]

Yeah, I don't think it would be Danks simply because he said the returns would be considered small by our standards or hopes...I can't imagine any return for Danks would be considered small right now.

 

Yeah I eliminated Danks because of the injury./

[Y2Jimmy0]

Question though: when is the last time the Sox traded a good, productive veteran player for a return (in prospects probably) that Soxtalk liked? I can't remember. Even 2 of our best deals in the CLee deal (salary space for JD & AJ + Pods + Viz) and the Freddy to Philly deal were hated.

 

The last one I can think of was the Rowand + Gio + Haigwood deal for Thome. IIRC everyone liked that. Of course we got the best player in the deal there. The last time we sent a MLB vet for prospects that people liked was....????

 

My point is that we never like anything here. This "tidbit" could be about any player in any given deal.

 

 

I think the generally the consensus about the Vazquez to Atlanta deal was very positive. Most could not wait to get rid of Javy and in return the Sox nabbed Tyler Flowers who had just come off of like 12 HR's in the AFL. Lillibridge was said to be about what he was, and the upside was seen as fairly high for Gilmore and Santos Rodriquez at the time.

[southsider2k5]

Mock all you like, Rock has a proven to be a pretty reliable source of information in the past.

 

This. He is on my "trust" list.

[southsider2k5]

I think the generally the consensus about the Vazquez to Atlanta deal was very positive. Most could not wait to get rid of Javy and in return the Sox nabbed Tyler Flowers who had just come off of like 12 HR's in the AFL. Lillibridge was said to be about what he was, and the upside was seen as fairly high for Gilmore and Santos Rodriquez at the time.

 

The reaction to getting anything for Vazquez was popular with the fans.

[The Ultimate Champion]

I think the generally the consensus about the Vazquez to Atlanta deal was very positive. Most could not wait to get rid of Javy and in return the Sox nabbed Tyler Flowers who had just come off of like 12 HR's in the AFL. Lillibridge was said to be about what he was, and the upside was seen as fairly high for Gilmore and Santos Rodriquez at the time.

You are correct also.

 

[Dick Allen]

How many White Sox players can you really consider popular by the consensus of Soxtalk?

 

Sale, Paulie, probaby Ramirez, Tyler Flowers is starting to become popular like a back up QB, but I wouldn't call him popular just yet. Everyone else gets ripped plenty. Pretty much everyone except Sale gets ripped plenty.

[NorthSideSox72]

How many White Sox players can you really consider popular by the consensus of Soxtalk?

 

Sale, Paulie, probaby Ramirez, Tyler Flowers is starting to become popular like a back up QB, but I wouldn't call him popular just yet. Everyone else gets ripped plenty. Pretty much everyone except Sale gets ripped plenty.

Rios was ripped relentlessly (with good reason) in 2010 and 2011, but he was suddenly very popular in 2012. And he does make sense to trade, at a high point in his performance and with the salary he has on the table. Outfielders are easier to replace than some other positions, relatively. Might be Rios.

 

[harfman77]

It seemed to me that Rock was speaking more in generalities of how this board responds to trades - like Javy to the Braves for example (and he wasn't even well liked) - and how that moves for the sake of moves are not necessarily a good thing. I may not be reading enough into his comments, but it did not seem anything was imminent from his comments. Obviously some payroll needs to be cleared if the Sox are going to have flexibility in free agency.

 

The candidates would be:

 

Paulie - getting older and probably has some decent value on the trade market

Rios - Rebuilt some value last season but no one on the roster to replace him

Dunn - Dug himself out of a grave last year, still not sure he is tradeable

Floyd - Not much value on the open market, Sox have been trying to move him for a year

Danks - Probably negative value until he comes back and shows he can pitch

Peavy - Most likely not happening after the extension

Thornton - Overpaid for what he is, might find a taker though

Alexei - Probably the most valuable trade chip, but again no real in house options for fill the hole he would leave

[Dick Allen]

Rios was ripped relentlessly (with good reason) in 2010 and 2011, but he was suddenly very popular in 2012. And he does make sense to trade, at a high point in his performance and with the salary he has on the table. Outfielders are easier to replace than some other positions, relatively. Might be Rios.

It would make sense considering you aren't going to get what some think you can get for him. I'd dump him in a hearbeat.

[Chicago White Sox]

It would make sense considering you aren't going to get what some think you can get for him. I'd dump him in a hearbeat.

I would have felt similar about his value two days ago, but given that BJ Upton just got $15 million in free agency, Rios definitely has some value on the trade market. Nothing crazy but he should be at least worth a B-level prospect IMO.

[southsider2k5]

I would have felt similar about his value two days ago, but given that BJ Upton just got $15 million in free agency, Rios definitely has some value on the trade market. Nothing crazy but he should be at least worth a B-level prospect IMO.

 

Yeah, Rios trade value went up a lot in the last 24 hours.