White Sox winter meetings thread...

[Reddy]

You know, marty, additionally here's something to think about.

 

Generally speaking, when one holds an opinion, he should feel free to express that opinion. Upon said expression, if he finds that he is alone in holding that opinion, and that everyone else in the conversation holds a different viewpoint, he can do one of two things. He can keep belaboring his opinion and block out any other viewpoints, OR he can step back and evaluate WHY he's the only person who feels that way. He can examine the other opinions and see if, maybe, he may not have all the information.

 

Which do you do marty?

 

When it's one person against the world, there's probably a good reason so many people disagree with you...

 

EDIT: I was writing this while wite said back to baseball, so back to baseball I shall go.

Edited December 20, 2012 by Reddy

[Reddy]

This is a straight forward personal attack that's against the message board guidelines.

that's not a personal attack...

[The Ultimate Champion]

Hey Ricky, keep sitting on your eggs all day & pretty soon they're going to hatch. It's great how we've gone from under the radar to completely off it. I want Kenny back. This is like when Terry Ryan left the Twins & all hell broke loose. Where's my Kenny? Kenny, the joke is over. I miss you Kenny. We get it now, you really were the best, and your absence has made us all realize how great you were. Please come back. We need a real GM that isn't a-scared to make a move. And please don't shout back "Peavy" because that was all him; he left god knows how many millions on the table to stick around here. He made a bad business decision that is going to work out great for the Sox, but Peavy gets all the credit for that one. Keppinger is it for Hahn, time to pull the plug IMO.

[Dick Allen]

Hey Ricky, keep sitting on your eggs all day & pretty soon they're going to hatch. It's great how we've gone from under the radar to completely off it. I want Kenny back. This is like when Terry Ryan left the Twins & all hell broke loose. Where's my Kenny? Kenny, the joke is over. I miss you Kenny. We get it now, you really were the best, and your absence has made us all realize how great you were. Please come back. We need a real GM that isn't a-scared to make a move. And please don't shout back "Peavy" because that was all him; he left god knows how many millions on the table to stick around here. He made a bad business decision that is going to work out great for the Sox, but Peavy gets all the credit for that one. Keppinger is it for Hahn, time to pull the plug IMO.

The season is over 100 days away.

[Chicago White Sox]

I think it's pretty reasonable at this point to assume Hahn is waiting for the last big SP & OF chips in free agency to fall before a move is made. I have no doubt Hahn would like to make an impact move, but the market needs to develop and hopefully opportunities will then present themselves.

[ScottyDo]

Hey Ricky, keep sitting on your eggs all day & pretty soon they're going to hatch. It's great how we've gone from under the radar to completely off it. I want Kenny back. This is like when Terry Ryan left the Twins & all hell broke loose. Where's my Kenny? Kenny, the joke is over. I miss you Kenny. We get it now, you really were the best, and your absence has made us all realize how great you were. Please come back. We need a real GM that isn't a-scared to make a move. And please don't shout back "Peavy" because that was all him; he left god knows how many millions on the table to stick around here. He made a bad business decision that is going to work out great for the Sox, but Peavy gets all the credit for that one. Keppinger is it for Hahn, time to pull the plug IMO.

This might stand as the biggest overreaction I've ever seen. Can we at least give him a baseball game before throwing him under the bus?

[The Ultimate Champion]

The season is over 100 days away.

And it'll be the most exciting 100 days Rick Hahn's XBox has ever seen.

 

 

[The Ultimate Champion]

This might stand as the biggest overreaction I've ever seen. Can we at least give him a baseball game before throwing him under the bus?

What's the point of baseball if you're not even going to try? I've said this before and I'll say it again: bring out the monster trucks. US Cellular in 2013 + Gravedigger = match made in heaven.

[Dick Allen]

What's the point of baseball if you're not even going to try? I've said this before and I'll say it again: bring out the monster trucks. US Cellular in 2013 + Gravedigger = match made in heaven.

You have to be patient and remember, new GMs, no matter what they may say publicly, like to put their own stamp on the team. Hahn is going to make moves, maybe even more than KW would have made this offseason.

[ScottyDo]

What's the point of baseball if you're not even going to try? I've said this before and I'll say it again: bring out the monster trucks. US Cellular in 2013 + Gravedigger = match made in heaven.

I don't think number of moves is a very good measuring stick for effort, nor is effort a good measuring stick for whether or not a decision makes sense. Standing pat is a decision, as is waiting a little bit to see what happens in the FA market.

[hogan873]

The free agent market is quickly drying up, so some of the potential trade pieces on the Sox are going to look more appealing to other teams. Hahn will probably be able to get more for Floyd, Thornton, etc. after some FAs have signed vs. a couple weeks ago.

 

I imagine a few moves will be made to improve the team, but I'd be suprised if there was a blockbuster involving the Sox.

[RockRaines]

What's the point of baseball if you're not even going to try? I've said this before and I'll say it again: bring out the monster trucks. US Cellular in 2013 + Gravedigger = match made in heaven.

There has been quite a bit of activity with the Sox FO, just because nothing has gone down yet doesnt mean it wont. As of now the pitching options on the marketplace are dwindling, and yet here we are with a few really good trade chips both RH and LH. WE also have a lead off hitter, a middle of the order corner guy and a young development prospect who are all on the block. Oh, we also have some VERY good established pen arms on the block. The Sox are open for business and its just a matter of time.

[witesoxfan]

What's the point of baseball if you're not even going to try? I've said this before and I'll say it again: bring out the monster trucks. US Cellular in 2013 + Gravedigger = match made in heaven.

 

/obligatory "why even play the games" remark

[The Ultimate Champion]

You guys are all making sense.

 

What I loved about Kenny though was the fact that he would make a move without thinking all day about whether or not it was a mistake. Aggressiveness is an excellent quality for a GM to have and I see none of it with Hahn. It seems like Hahn is playing it way too safe and I don't like that one bit.

 

Look, if you don't think DeAza is a long-term piece then f***ing trade him. Yes, as "dominos" fall, there are fewer players on the market. The flip side is that there are then fewer teams looking to fill holes. Sitting around all day doesn't necessarily mean you're going to get a better return on a player. Often it means you end up getting nothing done & have to take less than what you wanted at a later date.

 

I will now echo the statement of another poster on this thread who asked Rock Raines which direction are we headed in. What is the plan here? Do we have one? Seagulls have a plan. Seagulls have a direction, a very clear direction. When you watch the geese fly overhead, they actually know where they are going. Do the Sox even know that? Is Rick Hahn smarter than a seagull or a goose or a gander? None of this is certain, and the lack of action & the uncertainty surrounding it makes me think about monster trucks. THat is all.

[RockRaines]

You guys are all making sense.

 

What I loved about Kenny though was the fact that he would make a move without thinking all day about whether or not it was a mistake. Aggressiveness is an excellent quality for a GM to have and I see none of it with Hahn. It seems like Hahn is playing it way too safe and I don't like that one bit.

Kenny is still in charge of the vision and I dont see one shred of evidence that the bolded is true.

[Steve9347]

I love the early over-reaction to Hahn not doing anything with the very few, if any, chips he has.

[hogan873]

You guys are all making sense.

 

What I loved about Kenny though was the fact that he would make a move without thinking all day about whether or not it was a mistake. Aggressiveness is an excellent quality for a GM to have and I see none of it with Hahn. It seems like Hahn is playing it way too safe and I don't like that one bit.

 

Look, if you don't think DeAza is a long-term piece then f***ing trade him. Yes, as "dominos" fall, there are fewer players on the market. The flip side is that there are then fewer teams looking to fill holes. Sitting around all day doesn't necessarily mean you're going to get a better return on a player. Often it means you end up getting nothing done & have to take less than what you wanted at a later date.

 

I will now echo the statement of another poster on this thread who asked Rock Raines which direction are we headed in. What is the plan here? Do we have one? Seagulls have a plan. Seagulls have a direction, a very clear direction. When you watch the geese fly overhead, they actually know where they are going. Do the Sox even know that? Is Rick Hahn smarter than a seagull or a goose or a gander? None of this is certain, and the lack of action & the uncertainty surrounding it makes me think about monster trucks. THat is all.

Seagulls sit around parking lots waiting for someone to drop a bag of McDonald's french fries. Then they eat said french fries, make noise, get fat, and then poop on cars.

[flavum]

I'll admit, the lack of action is unsettling. But the Sox fans aren't alone in waiting for good news. Just have to be patient and see what this roster looks like in a couple months.

 

It certainly isn't fair to judge Rick Hahn as a GM yet. There's nothing to go by at all really.

[witesoxfan]

You guys are all making sense.

 

What I loved about Kenny though was the fact that he would make a move without thinking all day about whether or not it was a mistake. Aggressiveness is an excellent quality for a GM to have and I see none of it with Hahn. It seems like Hahn is playing it way too safe and I don't like that one bit.

 

Look, if you don't think DeAza is a long-term piece then f***ing trade him. Yes, as "dominos" fall, there are fewer players on the market. The flip side is that there are then fewer teams looking to fill holes. Sitting around all day doesn't necessarily mean you're going to get a better return on a player. Often it means you end up getting nothing done & have to take less than what you wanted at a later date.

 

I will now echo the statement of another poster on this thread who asked Rock Raines which direction are we headed in. What is the plan here? Do we have one? Seagulls have a plan. Seagulls have a direction, a very clear direction. When you watch the geese fly overhead, they actually know where they are going. Do the Sox even know that? Is Rick Hahn smarter than a seagull or a goose or a gander? None of this is certain, and the lack of action & the uncertainty surrounding it makes me think about monster trucks. THat is all.

 

If you traded on the stock market this way, you'd lose all of your money in about 6 weeks. Wait out for commodities to increase in value and deal them then. Deal them at highest value, not lower. That sort of thing.

[Chicago White Sox]

I love the early over-reaction to Hahn not doing anything with the very few, if any, chips he has.

The few chips? What are you talking about? We have three SPs, three OFs, two veteran RPs, and plenty of prospects that have value and can be used to improve the team.

[Steve9347]

The few chips? What are you talking about? We have three SPs, three OFs, two veteran RPs, and plenty of prospects that have value and can be used to improve the team.

I am hoping this was a green fail.

[southsider2k5]

Seagulls sit around parking lots waiting for someone to drop a bag of McDonald's french fries. Then they eat said french fries, make noise, get fat, and then poop on cars.

 

But that is direction!

[Chicago White Sox]

If you traded on the stock market this way, you'd lose all of your money in about 6 weeks. Wait out for commodities to increase in value and deal them then. Deal them at highest value, not lower. That sort of thing.

And let's be honest, one of KW's weaknesses was his impatience. He often took the first deal he liked instead of waiting for a market to develop for his players.

 

We saw this most recently with the Sergio Santos trade where some teams didn't even know he was available.

[The Ultimate Champion]

Seagulls sit around parking lots waiting for someone to drop a bag of McDonald's french fries. Then they eat said french fries, make noise, get fat, and then poop on cars.

Right.

 

And people wait in lines at McDonalds for french fries they have to pay for, then eat said french fries, make noises (via their bums), get fat, and then also poop in toilets at home which they also have to pay for. Seagulls have bopped their heads on the question-marked block, collected the mushroom, and have 1-UP'ed their human competitors. Ricky "The Mild THing" Hahn has 1-UP'ed whom? Exactly. At least cars are afraid of seagulls, cars which by the way are cared for & pampered by people. What does that tell you?

[southsider2k5]

Right.

 

And people wait in lines at McDonalds for french fries they have to pay for, then eat said french fries, make noises (via their bums), get fat, and then also poop in toilets at home which they also have to pay for. Seagulls have bopped their heads on the question-marked block, collected the mushroom, and have 1-UP'ed their human competitors. Ricky "The Mild THing" Hahn has 1-UP'ed whom? Exactly. At least cars are afraid of seagulls, cars which by the way are cared for & pampered by people. What does that tell you?

 

It tells me that we have a new record for quickest over-reaction in Soxtalk history.