RockRaines Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 06:45 AM) I don't think it's ever happening, but if the Sox did sign Hamilton, they pretty much have to move Rios' salary. They've put Rios out there for suitors, not sure if thats for Hamilton though. I know for a fact he's been and being shopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 06:45 AM) I don't think it's ever happening, but if the Sox did sign Hamilton, they pretty much have to move Rios' salary. Yup, and DeAza would stay to leadoff most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 08:24 AM) They've put Rios out there for suitors, not sure if thats for Hamilton though. I know for a fact he's been and being shopped. I'm not upset about that at all. It is a big gamble to bet that he is worth his contract over those next couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 08:30 AM) I'm not upset about that at all. It is a big gamble to bet that he is worth his contract over those next couple of years. Rios shocked me last year, he really played well. That said, his history of rotating good/bad seasons scares the hell out of me. I know current FA contracts are starting to make Rios' look better, but I still would move him if given a decent deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 They've put Rios out there for suitors, not sure if thats for Hamilton though. I know for a fact he's been and being shopped. Checking around to see what he can get for Rios is a good idea for Hahn anyway. I was just pointing out that as unlikely as it is that Hamilton is signed, it's far more unlikely that Hamilton is signed AND Rios stays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 08:36 AM) Checking around to see what he can get for Rios is a good idea for Hahn anyway. I was just pointing out that as unlikely as it is that Hamilton is signed, it's far more unlikely that Hamilton is signed AND Rios stays. From a money standpoint if you could offload Floyd, Rios, Thornton and add the same cost you could add an impact bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Tribune says the Sox are dangling De Aza and Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 09:16 AM) Tribune says the Sox are dangling De Aza and Viciedo. This, together with Rock's comments, solidifies that are players with any sort of contract are worth s*** on the trade market right now. I'm getting pretty nervous that we're going to overpay for an impact player when we're already stretched on depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Granderson is the LH'ed hiter who potentially will be on the (trade) market who best fits the Sox budget 1y/$15M. For the Yankees to get in on Hamilton, they'll need to move Granderson's salary. He would come cheap in a trade, but I don't think Granderson's a good fit for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 09:16 AM) Tribune says the Sox are dangling De Aza and Viciedo. All OF'ers are for sale like I said before. They see lineup holes although I dont particularly see them dealing Dayan at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I wonder if the Sox would trade De Aza, Floyd and a reliever to Boston for Ellsbury. Granted there is a 99.999999% chance you only have Ellsbury for a year, but you would only have Floyd for a year. The Sox have several interchangable relievers and probably will sign another one or 2 anyway. You would basically be giving up controlled years of De Aza for one year of Ellsbury. I don't know if Boston would do it, but I would think the correct color would consider it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon_44 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I'd still like to see Rios to Philly for Dominic Brown. That would free up money to get Granderson and you could lefty/righty platoon Brown and Viciedo in RF. Also, Floyd for Salty and the Sox could put a couple of needed LH bats in the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I don't want to lose De Aza. <_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGoSox2k2 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (IowanSoxFan @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 10:15 AM) I don't want to lose De Aza. <_> Gonzo mentions the Reds are interested in De Aza, maybe we can get them to overpay for him since they were after both Span & Revere and missed out. Todd Frazier for 3rd base would be an interesting option?.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 If the Sox trade De Aza, they are going to need a leadoff hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 As a general statement, I don't like the idea of Floyd straight up for Saltalamacchia. That is a 180 IP starting pitcher for a guy who is going to get maybe 300 PAs. I even like Saltalamacchia, and would consider trading Floyd to Boston with Salatalamacchia as part of the package, but they need to include a prospect or two as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 11:22 AM) Gonzo mentions the Reds are interested in De Aza, maybe we can get them to overpay for him since they were after both Span & Revere and missed out. Todd Frazier for 3rd base would be an interesting option?.. I would still love Mesoraco from the Reds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 11:29 AM) As a general statement, I don't like the idea of Floyd straight up for Saltalamacchia. That is a 180 IP starting pitcher for a guy who is going to get maybe 300 PAs. I even like Saltalamacchia, and would consider trading Floyd to Boston with Salatalamacchia as part of the package, but they need to include a prospect or two as well. For sure, but part of the benefit is the $. Seems to me that with the new drug testing, a 4.00 ERA pitcher isn't worth what he used to be, so I dunno that he is the bargain anymore at $9.5 million that some of the more stats-oriented folks have argued in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 11:29 AM) As a general statement, I don't like the idea of Floyd straight up for Saltalamacchia. That is a 180 IP starting pitcher for a guy who is going to get maybe 300 PAs. I even like Saltalamacchia, and would consider trading Floyd to Boston with Salatalamacchia as part of the package, but they need to include a prospect or two as well. How would you use Salty? I think he would be redundant on our team. He's very similar offensively to Flowers. They both have the same career wRC+, 88. Flowers' advantage is that he's good defensively and over the next two years will be somewhere between $5M-$10M cheaper. I don't think there is enough of a platoon advantage between him and Flowers considering the defense and cost to be worthwhile strictly at catcher. Flowers actually has a higher wOBA against RH with the Sox, and was significantly better against RH pitching when he played in Charlotte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Don't the Reds have Billy Hamilton, like the top leadoff prospect in all of the minors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (IowanSoxFan @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 10:43 AM) Don't the Reds have Billy Hamilton, like the top leadoff prospect in all of the minors? The top base-stealer. Not many are sure if he will be able to hit enough to make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 11:49 AM) The top base-stealer. Not many are sure if he will be able to hit enough to make it. He's also moved positions from SS/2B to CF. Not sure they need De Aza in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (3E8 @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 10:38 AM) How would you use Salty? I think he would be redundant on our team. He's very similar offensively to Flowers. They both have the same career wRC+, 88. Flowers' advantage is that he's good defensively and over the next two years will be somewhere between $5M-$10M cheaper. I don't think there is enough of a platoon advantage between him and Flowers considering the defense and cost to be worthwhile strictly at catcher. Flowers actually has a higher wOBA against RH with the Sox, and was significantly better against RH pitching when he played in Charlotte. I would bring Saltalamacchia in on the basis of never having too much talent. I think with regards to these two players, you are looking at two TTO type of players, which is both good and bad but they can prove to be good and extremely undervalued players. I also think, if nothing else, it provides some more depth as I imagine both Saltalamacchia and Flowers can play 1B in a pinch if needed. On top of that, I feel you'd always have a legitimate power hitter on the bench at all times too. He isn't the ideal player to bring in, but I would take him so long as there was more that came in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Some questions: What teams are gearing up to be the losers of the Greinke derby? What would these teams then have to offer us prospect-wise for Floyd? Perhaps it wouldn't turn out to be just Floyd going out....but just curious if there are any names I should know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 12:25 PM) Some questions: What teams are gearing up to be the losers of the Greinke derby? What would these teams then have to offer us prospect-wise for Floyd? Perhaps it wouldn't turn out to be just Floyd going out....but just curious if there are any names I should know Unfortunately, only one year of Floyd at $9.5M doesn't offer much surplus value. The estimate surplus value of a top 100 prospect is well over $10M, and Floyd is nowhere near that. Maybe the scarcity and high price of free agents bumps it up some, but the chances are low Floyd himself could bring back an exciting prospect. It saddens me as co-member of the Gavin fan club with wite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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