Marty34 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:03 PM) It's not a black and white issue. It's not an either/or situation. If the Sox could go out and get a top notch (and very expensive) outfielder to replace Viciedo, they probably would if winning right now was the most important thing and they had the money. The team has to do what they can to compete AND build for the future. That's why they are a run-of-the-mill outfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:05 PM) Platoon Viciedo/Dunn and get a LF'er. I'm "hung up on" Viciedo because finding a platoon for him is the most cost effective way to improve the offense. No way, unless you want to platoon Viciedo and Wise. There just is not a cheap way to improve the offense that makes the Sox SO much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 01:07 PM) That's why they are a run-of-the-mill outfit. yeah just like those damn Tampa Bay Rays, and those Oakland Athletics, and those LA Angels, and I could continue with more teams that build for the future AND the present at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:02 PM) why do you think the team can't do both? please answer that question!! a .750 OPS is not sinking this team! lol This exactly. The very nature of the Sox payroll dictates that these kind of players are going to be in the line up. Viciedo is 23, and has played one full season at the major league level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:07 PM) That is the most expensive platoon in the league. It's also not going to happen. Unless its fantasy baseball. That would also mean you need another OF'er which you have to sign as a FA (not likely) or trade for. And you have also taken your most promising young bat and one of your most valuable trade chips and limited his at bats severely while also stunting his development. I would say that is textbook poor management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:07 PM) That is the most expensive platoon in the league. It's also not going to happen. I did not suggest platooning Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:07 PM) That's why they are a run-of-the-mill outfit. Why do you pay any attention to the White Sox if they bother you so much all the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:11 PM) I did not suggest platooning Dunn. Really? QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:05 PM) Platoon Viciedo/Dunn and get a LF'er. I'm "hung up on" Viciedo because finding a platoon for him is the most cost effective way to improve the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:07 PM) That's why they are a run-of-the-mill outfit. I'm not sure what you mean by that statement. But most teams are doing both, 2012 Miami Marlins excluded. The Sox aren't going to drop their payroll to $50 million and concentrate on rebuilding for 3 years, not are they going to increase payroll to $170 million to "ensure" a World Series showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:09 PM) This exactly. The very nature of the Sox payroll dictates that these kind of players are going to be in the line up. Viciedo is 23, and has played one full season at the major league level Don't forget, Marty is the guy who said the entire season the Sox had no chance, they need to rebuild. Now he's blaming it all on Viciedo. He needs some help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:13 PM) Don't forget, Marty is the guy who said the entire season the Sox had no chance, they need to rebuild. Now he's blaming it all on Viciedo. He needs some help. Alot of help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:14 PM) Alot of help I'm pretty sure he's just trolling today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:11 PM) Why do you pay any attention to the White Sox if they bother you so much all the time? Why do you make stuff about the messenger. You do this to most you disagree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:13 PM) Don't forget, Marty is the guy who said the entire season the Sox had no chance, they need to rebuild. Now he's blaming it all on Viciedo. He needs some help. You're all about the personal attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 01:15 PM) Why do you make stuff about the messenger. You do this to most you disagree with. out of curiosity, who anointed you the messenger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 01:17 PM) You're all about the personal attack. A QUACK ATTACK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:17 PM) You're all about the personal attack. Start the violins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:19 PM) out of curiosity, who anointed you the messenger? himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:19 PM) out of curiosity, who anointed you the messenger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:15 PM) Why do you make stuff about the messenger. You do this to most you disagree with. I'm not making anything up. You don't post unless you have a complaint. We all understand you hate Viciedo. I guess today, you wanted some more attention. You get it, and you complain some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 so Marty is really Milla Jovovich rockin' a boy's haircut. love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:13 PM) I'm not sure what you mean by that statement. But most teams are doing both, 2012 Miami Marlins excluded. The Sox aren't going to drop their payroll to $50 million and concentrate on rebuilding for 3 years, not are they going to increase payroll to $170 million to "ensure" a World Series showing. How important is Viciedo's development to whatever 5-year plan it is that the Sox have? I don't think he's important enough to forgo the opportunity to get more offensive production by finding him a platoon for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Enough. Start discussing baseball again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:21 PM) I'm not making anything up. You don't post unless you have a complaint. We all understand you hate Viciedo. I guess today, you wanted some more attention. You get it, and you complain some more. This is a straight forward personal attack that's against the message board guidelines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 In all seriousness, I'd be curious to see people's lists for Why We lost in '12. I would have to imagine Viciedo ranks somewhere in the double digit range, right? 1. The year long disaster (outside of about a month) at 3b 2. Not being able to beat the Royals 3. Beckham's lack of development 4. Danks injury 5. Konerko's injury 6. Dunn's injury 7. Reeds collapse as closer 8. Too many starting pitchers who had innings limitations 9. Not being able to beat the Tigers down the stretch That's off of the top of my head, with no looking back at anything for ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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