witesoxfan Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (3E8 @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 09:38 PM) There is supplemental revenue sharing apart from what you are thinking about. See page 222 of the current cba. The White Sox had to contribute money to this revenue sharing last season and will be one of 11 teams contributing again in 2013. The Tigers were recipients in 2012, and will be again in 2013, albeit a lower percentage. I'm sure it's discussed in the legalese, but how do they derive these percentages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 According to Forbes, the Tigers had $3 million more in operating income than the White Sox in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 04:19 AM) I'm sure it's discussed in the legalese, but how do they derive these percentages? The formula is not disclosed. But it does state future changes to the performance factor percentages will be made based on "broadcast revenue". So I guess that's the main component. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 one would probably say getting a healthy John Danks back is a huge improvement in the rotation. Also, the Sox arent done, you can bank on that. From your mouth to G-d's ears (hopefully!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkChopExpress Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 06:04 PM) one would probably say getting a healthy John Danks back is a huge improvement in the rotation. Also, the Sox arent done, you can bank on that. If he's healthy and if he's the John Danks of '08-'10. That remains to be seen so the Sox should not be banking on that as their improvement. Keppinger had a good year last year, but he's really just an average player. Unfortunately, just an average player at 3B does make us slightly better than last year if nothing else happens, but the changes the Sox have made thus far certainly do not compare to the upgrades the Tigers and the Royals have made this offseason. And yes, I realize Victor Martinez has the same question marks surrounding his return as does John Danks, but I'd be willing to bet it is more likely he comes back and can hit like he used to than John comes back and can pitch like he used to. And I'm saying all this in a thread about AJ. Shows how desperate I am for something to talk about with the Sox this offseason. Please do something exciting, Rick. I can't wait until February for Sox news. I want to be getting excited about 2013, and so far I'm going in the opposite direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1451542...f-aj-pierzynski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:48 PM) http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1451542...f-aj-pierzynski I stopped reading at "unmitigated disaster". Did you write that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 10:48 AM) http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1451542...f-aj-pierzynski Seriously is there a worse site out there than Bleacher Report for intelligent sports writing? Take this gem... Simply put, his performance at the plate in 2012 is evidence of a trend, not an anomaly. He is going the wrong way at the plate—although that seems to be lost on the parties involved. They come to that by quoting his 2012 White Sox stats, and his 2010 power numbers at Charlotte. Write what you want about Flowers, but at least do SOME work before you use terms like "trend". That is just lazy and half-assed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I stopped reading at "unmitigated disaster". Did you write that? Nope, although I do believe that without AJ, the team takes a big step back as a contender, and leave the team with very little left handed power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 11:18 AM) Nope, although I do believe that without AJ, the team takes a big step back as a contender, and leave the team with very little left handed power. How much lefthanded power do you need exactly? We have a power-only DH that is a lefty. I'm sure they will address a bat off the bench or even in the field, but I am not sure we are severely lacking power from that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I'm going back to my original AJ list to balance out that "article" that wouldn't have even made a good message board post. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2012 -> 09:52 AM) Reasons to not bring back AJ... #1, we have a starting catcher in waiting who is going to be making $500,000 this year. AJ is going to be making at very least 10 X's that. Probably more like 15 to 20 X's that. Flowers also played much better when he got consistent playing time. There is a pretty decent chance that he puts up numbers comparable to AJ, for a much smaller price. #2, Many, many stories about his clubhouse antics #3, instead of spending the money on a position where we already have a young cheap player, we could spend it elsewhere #4, the guy had a career year, at age 35, and it wasn't even really close. All kinds of red flags should be going up, such as regression, was he cheating, etc. #5, the guy is a catcher who has played at least 125 games in every season since 2001. Breakdown could happen any day. #6, If AJ doesn't play every day, will he cause problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 What does everyone think the chances are that AJ was cheating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) What does everyone think the chances are that AJ was cheating? Not great, but it also sticks in my mind that AJ is the type of guy who will pretty much do anything to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 11:49 AM) Not great, but it also sticks in my mind that AJ is the type of guy who will pretty much do anything to win. Yeah I was thinking about this last night.I certainly think there is a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) What does everyone think the chances are that AJ was cheating? 1% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) What does everyone think the chances are that AJ was cheating? There was an article where some of his teammates (who supposedly hate him) said there was zero chance AJ was on the juice. Supposedly, he is afraid to take any supplements. AJ is a big strong guy. He altered his approach. A little less contact, more home runs. Edited December 20, 2012 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 He wasn't cheating. He tested "clean", didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 11:53 AM) There was an article where some of his teammates (who supposedly hate him) said there was zero chance AJ was on the juice. Supposedly, he is afraid to take any supplements. AJ is a big strong guy. He altered his approach. A little less contact, more home runs. I think a 1 percent chance is a pretty good number to put on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 11:56 AM) He wasn't cheating. He tested "clean", didn't he? Testing clean doesn't mean players are 100% for sure clean. See also Armstrong, Lance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 03:00 PM) And use the extra millions to improve something else. I am thinking of areas that could be improved and trying to think how money will help fill that hole. So far I'm kind of at a blank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 02:28 PM) I am thinking of areas that could be improved and trying to think how money will help fill that hole. So far I'm kind of at a blank. Well, we could trade for a player with a bigger contract if we are currently spending less on payroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:10 PM) Testing clean doesn't mean players are 100% for sure clean. See also Armstrong, Lance. http://www.texasmonthly.com/2013-01-01/editorsletter.php 2012 Texas Monthly Bum Steer of the Year Winner. Beat out Snoop Dog (busted for pot at a checkpoint after Willie was busted at the same one), Randy Travis (found naked and drunk passed on in the center of the road), and Rick Perry (how not to succeed in the GOP primary). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:31 PM) Well, we could trade for a player with a bigger contract if we are currently spending less on payroll. I get that, I'm just not coming up with a likely scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I agree, Tex. There are no 3B out there that we can get, nor any STUD OFs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) What does everyone think the chances are that AJ was cheating? He prides himself on hard work so I don't think he did. However, you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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