2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 07:13 PM) Flowers is our catching prospect. Sox fans want us to develop prospects then hate when we let go of a 36 year old catcher to let the kids play. We have a few other guys in the minors that look like they'd be replacement level catchers. This. Flowers was a top 100 prospect 2 years in a row before getting called up. Can't gauge what kind of player he's gonna be when he's NEVER had consistent playing time in the bigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 06:48 PM) The point is eventually using age as the reason he will be worthless will be correct, but there is a pretty good chance he doesn't fall apart in 2013, considering there was no slippage in 2012. I think his inability to catch the ordinary pitch was alarming. I've never seen a catcher close to as bad as AJ was last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 07:48 PM) The point is eventually using age as the reason he will be worthless will be correct, but there is a pretty good chance he doesn't fall apart in 2013, considering there was no slippage in 2012. It will be interesting to see how Flowers handles the bigger workload and the higher expectations that come with it. There also is going to be another 15-20 extra games we will see the back up catcher. Giving AJ a one year deal was not very risky. What they do with the money is going to be the key. We've already seen it. He was a bad defender, but last year he was brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (JoshPR @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 07:24 PM) Downgrade??? Catchers are about defense AJ's sucked lately Let's see how Flowers' defense holds up when he gets as banged up as AJ got from playing everyday. Of course, Flowers probably won't be able to play nearly everyday like AJ did so we will be stuck with a backup catcher for more games this season than we have had over the past eight years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 07:07 PM) We've already seen it. He was a bad defender, but last year he was brutal. He threw out more runners. He caught a bunch of rookies which made life hard. To me the Flowers love is based on an extremely small sample size of success and a lot of red flags. It kind of reminds me of the Josh Fields love in 2007 and the outrage when Joe Crede was the starter at the beginning of the season in 2008, and a little like the Lillibridge love last year. We will all see how Flowers fares,I just am real Leary about guys who have as much trouble making contact as Tyler does if he isn't going to hit 35 homers, and I don't think he can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 07:11 PM) Let's see how Flowers' defense holds up when he gets as banged up as AJ got from playing everyday. Of course, Flowers probably won't be able to play nearly everyday like AJ did so we will be stuck with a backup catcher for more games this season than we have had over the past eight years. Flowers will be fine defensively. Seeing him and Dunn in the line up together on any regular basis with all those strikeouts won't do anything to help tv ratings or attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Some of you guys are acting like you haven't felt this bad since New Kids On The Block broke up. It's gonna be ok guys. Eventually everyone gets old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 06:09 PM) Yeah, the only way to possibly defend this move is from a business perspective. We just got a massive downgrade in a huge position of need. Do we have any capable catchers in the minors? Yes, Tyler Flowers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 07:18 PM) Some of you guys are acting like you haven't felt this bad since New Kids On The Block broke up. It's gonna be ok guys. Eventually everyone gets old. THEY BROKE UP AGAIN!?!?!?!?! OMG!!!!!!!!!!! WHY???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 07:17 PM) He threw out more runners. He caught a bunch of rookies which made life hard. The problem was he did not catch those rookies. He picked the ball up after stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 07:17 PM) He threw out more runners. He caught a bunch of rookies which made life hard. To me the Flowers love is based on an extremely small sample size of success and a lot of red flags. It kind of reminds me of the Josh Fields love in 2007 and the outrage when Joe Crede was the starter at the beginning of the season in 2008, and a little like the Lillibridge love last year. We will all see how Flowers fares,I just am real Leary about guys who have as much trouble making contact as Tyler does if he isn't going to hit 35 homers, and I don't think he can do that. Vs the AJ love for something that happened 7 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 07:06 PM) I think his inability to catch the ordinary pitch was alarming. I've never seen a catcher close to as bad as AJ was last year. It's true, while there's a decent argument to be made about his throwing...he dropped off big time when it came to catching and blocking balls. At times it was alarming. He looked either slow or lazy, at many times. Will probably have a chance to be an occasional DH in Texas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The likely hood of a trade for a position player who hits LH just went way up imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 AJ would have been a good back up/LH bat off the bench. That's it IMO. He's a DH playing catcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I'm not liking losing AJ but I've been preparing for this for a while so this isn't really news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 07:17 PM) He threw out more runners. He caught a bunch of rookies which made life hard. To me the Flowers love is based on an extremely small sample size of success and a lot of red flags. It kind of reminds me of the Josh Fields love in 2007 and the outrage when Joe Crede was the starter at the beginning of the season in 2008, and a little like the Lillibridge love last year. We will all see how Flowers fares,I just am real Leary about guys who have as much trouble making contact as Tyler does if he isn't going to hit 35 homers, and I don't think he can do that. At least Flowers has good defense on his resume'. Fields had nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 08:26 PM) The likely hood of a trade for a position player who hits LH just went way up imo One would think that if this was really that meaningful to the Sox, A.J. would be signed here. One year would've been doable. Instead it sounds like the plan is and always was Flowers, and that another LH bat is part of this next move, whatever it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 08:41 PM) At least Flowers has good defense on his resume'. Fields had nothing. I saw him playing for the Albuquerque Isotopes last year. Still has big power and can't hit a fastball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Flowers couldn't hit in AAA when he DID get his at bats. A step back for the Bland Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Hopefully we get some movement tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 10:00 PM) Flowers couldn't hit in AAA when he DID get his at bats. A step back for the Bland Sox Ya that .820 OPS in AAA is absolutely turrable...shame on the sox for giving him a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 A.J. Pierzynski's 1-yr deal #rangers deal is worth about $7M -- Heyman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 People are guessing 1 yr @ $4M ?!?!!??! No way can I see that being the deal, but stranger things have happened. Too bad for AJ coming off a career year offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Pierzynski got $7.5M to be more precise. #rangers -- Heyman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Flowers on AJ: "He was a very mature, positive influence on me this year, helping me understand baseball and life and fatherhood." -- Merkin Such a scumbag that AJ is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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